Multiculturalism, in my opinion, is another ‘good in theory, bad in practice’ social policy.
Racial diversity, just like linguistic, religious, tribal or other is a source of tension and conflict. For society, it’s pernicious and creates internal divisions within those communities. If you look all around the world, the place where people are killing each other most diligently are diverse places where people differ in some important way whether it be tribal, religious, racial or any other way.
And it’s universal, and when it is universal I think the most apodictic assumptions that we can make are that it’s natural and congenital. This isn’t typical to the western societies we live in today. It isn’t the fault of white supremacy, it isn’t the fault of one single group. As a species we evolved in small tight knit groups and small bands so we very naturally have a tribal sense and are quick to notice difference between other groups. From Pharoah Sesotris III, King of lower and upper Egypt, above the second cataract of the Nile declaring the words “No Negro shall cross this border” to the Persians idea of them being the superior race, these certain facets or characteristics have been recognised since the dawn of time.
A UN study of the years 1989-92 found 82 conflicts from the years of 1989-1982 that resulted in 1000 or more deaths, and of these 82 conflicts 79 of them involved ethnic or religious antagonisms within the borders of one single nation. White flight, which is such a dependable occurrence it even has its own name, is evident and ongoing, proving the natural and instinctual desire to be around your own. The very fact that diasporic groups form communities in foreign countries also alludes to this point, from Detroit to Tower Hamlets, Lousanne to Antwerp.
Why are the Kurds so desperate to distance themselves from the Sunni’s and the Shi’ites in Iraq? The Tamils and the Sinhalise in Sri Lanka, the Hutu and the Tutsi in Rwanda, Republicans and Loyalists in Ireland, right now we’re seeing the indigenous Japanese protesting against Korean, Chinese and other groups coming into their country, accusing them of watering down their culture and getting preferential treatment, it’s an unmitigated global phenomenon. As a response to the refugee crisis we seen a huge shift to the far-right of politics for large areas of a nation’s population, as a nationalist, tribal response to this invasion as it were. Everywhere, in every period in history, in every society in the world, we have experienced these dividing lines.
I'm not ignorant to the beneficiaries of multiculturalism, everyone loves a new restaurant opening up offering something different than what the chippy serves, but when whole towns or even cities are changed beyond recognition from the countries parent culture, then it becomes a problem. I think John Cleese sums it up pretty well here:
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If you're asking if people use reasons such as religion, colour, nationality and so forth as justification to hate, then yeah. But that has been the case since the day that man realised the means to travel outwith his own tribal area.
In this modern era you're always going to see people of different nationalities, races and religions move around the world, and you're always going to see arseholes who attack and kill each other for those reasons.
The vast majority of people aren't like that though, and never have been. Most people are happy enough to live and let live. -
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It's ok in small doses, when it gets to the stage were there's a huge volume of new arrivals that have no interest in assimilating to the host country and instead create parallel societies... that's when it becomes a problem.
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* right. The history of the British empire backs that up.
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mmmmhhmmm.
Shouldn't we be learning from mistakes? -
You'd think so, wouldn't you? Yet we continue going to war and blowing up other people's houses, don't we?
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Yeah. Hopefully after the disasters of the last 15 years not one Western military boot will touch the ground of some hellhole half the world away. -
We don't need to see actual boots on the ground to destroy * lives.
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Exactly. If you watch the news and pay attention to confilicts you would think the world was a cesspool of hate. But in reality most people are pretty open minded decent people who are happy to mix with other cultures. -
It's failed in England. Multiculturalism is good and the idea should be encouraged but Britain version of it is cultural segregation which runs down racial,religious and class lines. Parts of Northern England are like the North Ireland only it's "peace walls" are invisible but everyone knows they are there.
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Had to laugh that the only benifit of multiculturalism you could think of was that you would have more dining out options.
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The same goes for military action of any kind. It should be used to defend the people of the respective nation.
The migrant crisis wouldn't be near as bad if the Colonel was still in control of Libya. Thanks Sarkozy! -
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In my life the best experiences and most rewarding have been when I've been to other countries, worked or lived there and experienced other cultures and belief systems.
This disaster of an idea to mix cultures up and call it multiculturalism is something I despise and in many countries is stripping the sense of identity away into bland nothingness so loved by the so called liberals.
Many people who visit London actually go home disappointed with what they have seen other than the famous sights, many complaining they never saw what they perceive as real British culture, for this very reason I normally recommend my friends overseas to spend more time in the likes of Liverpool, Manchester, Devon or provincial places etc for a more rewarding experience.
The thing is if folk genuinely like all the major cities to be much of a muchness culturally then fair enough, it's not my place to tell them whether they like it or not but on a personal level it's not for me and closer to home one more reason to dislike all the European Union stands for -
I know right. They'd all be dead in the Sahara and we wouldn't know about them if the good colonel was still about. Good times.
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I'm not assuming that the vast majority of people aren't civil, but even if they don't have hatred of the other every society proves that for the most part, they want to live among their own. This would tie in with the white flight phenomenon, people vacating their homes in pursuit of a more familiar and accustomed community. We have to remember that mass migration was imposed on these peoples without consultation. Although there isn't always a war going on in multiracial societies there is undoubtedly a divide between the communities, with tensions and uncertainty always looming, it eventually spills out into riots, a la Burnley, Oldham, Bradford, Baltimore, Ferguson, Corsica, Paris, Lampedusa, Amsterdam, Cronulla, Nuku'alofa, Nationwide in Bangladesh 2014, Taungoo... you get the picture.
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Yeah, i saw it firsthand in Spain. The Brits over there have basically taken over sizeable chunks of the Costa Del Sol, and they do * all to integrate or even learn the language of the locals.
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I don't view multiculturalism as something that succeeds or fails, I only view it as something that exists as a consequence of globalisation. Education and tolerance is the way forward.
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Daibhi, I'm talking about multiculturalism as a concept, not trying to elevate Britain or British culture onto a platform of superiority. I find Brits abroad tend to be the worst at assimilating, but I'm not a Brit abroad. I'm just talking about multiculturalism, which is why I used examples from around the globe.
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The thing is, in today's world you're fighting a losing battle. It's happening, and has been happening since before the 70's now. You just need to accept it and move on.
People will continue moving all over the world at a rate never seen before.
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