Multiculturalism - has it failed?

That's a fair point and one many are to scared to admit, it's similar in Germany where old feuds between certain nationalities and groups are being played out nightly in the streets of Frankfurt, Berlin etc.

South London also is almost another country altogether it's a culture I barely recognise or understand.

Multiculturalism is as you rightly say is in reality far too much abut segregation and distrust, many of the Eastern Europeans particularly from Hungary, Poland and the Baltics are as genuinely racist as you will meet in the true sense of the word in their thoughts and views of black and Asian people.

 

I couldn't agree with this more, British people are actually worse in terms of assimilating in foreign lands, particularly Spain wher their culture has been taken with them on mass and they feel zero responsibility to learn Spanish and respect their new home, the worst parts of British culture are the ones on show as well.

Although I complain about other nationalities creating similar conditions in the UK I think you are absolutely correct to highlight that the British do just the same, problem is 2 wrongs don't make a right and in my view it's very wrong and only breeds animosity!!!!

 

From experience I can say this is true. It's true in every facet of a multiracial society too. In schools you'll find people segregated by colour, in prisons it's the same, as it is with multi ethnic housing developments, multiracial cities and essentially multiracial societies.

This is the best way to experience culture, respect it and retain it. This cosmopolitan mess will only make the world void of any distinct cultures, heritage, history etc.

 

I'm not denying that it's happening, I'm questioning whether it's worked or not. Accepting it isn't what I plan to do though, all it takes is a few common sense leaders to be elected and the effects of it could be stagnated, and then dealt with in a proper manner.

 

That's never going to happen, because said leaders will always be in the pocket of big business, and big business likes their workforces unsure of themselves, easy to threaten and cheap.

 

Multiculturalism has not failed per se. Roughly 25% of Switzerland's population is foreign - still it's a pretty safe place to be. Low crime rate and peaceful.

On top of that, apart from it's flaws, usa is far more attractive than most countries, even though it's the biggest melting pot ever.

 

I'm looking across the Atlantic and seeing a more than apt alternative Daibhi..

I think the Globalism vs nationalism topic will become a lot more prevalent in the years to come, left vs right wing politics won't matter nearly as much as it has done in the past.

 

There is a state in Europe that has a 100% immigrant population , anyone on here know what state that is ?

 

It's easier in places where nationality and ethnicity are not one and the same, so no it hasn't failed. In Europe it's not going so well though.

 

I'm not talking about immigration explicitly, I know Switzerland homes a lot of immigrants from Italy and Germany, both of whom share a certain degree of history and cultural values with Switzerland. Also, noting the Swiss immigration referendum in 2014 & the Swiss referendum in 2010 regarding the deportation of criminal foreigners, both of which were passed, wouldn't you say still that Switzerland is opposed to multiculturalism in the way it's being presented and packaged by current leaders (mass migration)?

 

The problem with that assumption is that it wasn't Swiss living in multicultural areas who voted for those resolutions, same as the minaret thing. The people living in the multicultural areas, especially in Romandie - Geneva and Lausanne especially - rejected it. It's people living in ethnically homogeneous areas who vote that way. If that idea was correct, it should have been people living in the areas with more immigrants who were the reason for its passing. Also, they just rejected a similar motion, suggesting that general public opinion is changing even in rural areas.

 

One World, One people..

 

one referendum was rejected a few months ago. referendums like them reveal two things:

• the negative side of a direct democracy - since you literally can put up anything if you manage to collect 100'000 signatures.
• Can't remember correctly, but how many swiss people actually voted? like 50-60%? Most people don't care. The reason why it got so many yes votes was the lying propaganda and coverage from one certain party. Uneducated people fall easily for them. That party will be paying the price now...

Besides, both referendums were not against multiculturalism. It was about tighten criminal law, since we got one - if not the softest -in the whole world.


That party, that initialized many uneducated referendums, is by far the loudest in the whole country - but they are not the majority. That's something the rest of the world tends to forget, since all they get to see is one side's propaganda and one sided headlines due of that.

 

The answer to my earlier question ( I can't be bothered to wait and see the responses , if any ) ; the European state with 100% immigrant population is the Vatican .

 

I don't doubt that those who are from a foreign background different from the nation state or those who are descended from foreigners are more likely to be for mass immigration. I think what was most telling is that the areas with the lowest amount of multiculturalism rejected it when they had a chance, whereas Lausanne citizens didn't. Conversely, it was the areas in France with the least amount of multiculturalism that voted for the socialist parties, whereas the areas with higher amounts opted for Front National or the conservatives. I'll just congratulate the SVP for receiving their highest amount of votes, highest percentage of popular votes and highest number of seats in parliament (also making them the most popular party on the national council) in the year 2015, public opinion is changing, you're right.

Ah yes, tarring all those who oppose mass immigration as 'uneducated' is totally acceptable, it's a wonder how Switzerland fares so well yet the majority of its electorate is uneducated... I also found it funny how you think the negative side of democracy is that people may hold views which differ from yours... Putting the results down to 'propaganda' from a party whom aren't in power and don't control media, newspapers and other outlets is pathetic. The same 'propaganda' would have been distributed by opposing parties no doubt.

Mass migration is the imposition of multiculturalism, given that the immigrants derive from a different culture of course.

 

It's human nature isn't it. To want to be among your own and to feel that you belong. Whether your 'own' relates to skin colour, nationality, religion, social class etc is down to each individual, but I'd imagine most people prefer to be surrounded by people who they feel are like them.

I'd be interested to know what your alternatives to multiculturalism are though?

 

Ethnic Swiss (not just Swiss nationals) rejected this in high-immigration places like Lausanne and Geneva. It was not only those of a foreign background. No amount of mental gymnastics can refute the fact that those who are more exposed to multiculturalism in Switzerland tend to be more likely to accept it, and that goes for ethnic Swiss. I won't comment on France, as that's France -- a country with a generally horrible record of governance when compared to Switzerland -- and I'm unfamiliar with the context. I've never been a fan of running to Wikipedia to support my argument.

 

I'm no expert on Swiss demographics but isn't it the case most immigrants who move to Switzerland are from the likes of Italy, France, Portugal, Greece etc.?

Bit different from people from wholly different cultures and customs.

 

Btw on a different note I love Swiss direct democracy. More countries should implement it.