Mine are
Putin
Kim Jong Un
Netanyahu
Trump
Whoever is in charge of Myanmar
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Putin and Netanyahu go hand in hand. Going to be hard pressed to take any list seriously that doesn’t include both. Amusing seeing lists without them that include the likes of Sunak or Scholz :giggle1:
Kim Jong Un is a ‘must have’ for me too. Hereditary dictator who has subjected his citizens to a life of desperation. Severe restrictions on so much of what makes the human experience worthwhile is pretty messed up.
Not sure who else I would have. There are loads of individuals who don’t fall into the world leader category who would be up there.
I don’t think Biden or Sunak are comparable - the former is a pretty slow and steady continuation of long term US policy, and the latter is a rich kid looking to line his mates pockets before picking up a comfortable consultancy role in the family business. Trump is a consideration, but despite him overseeing the rise of fascism in the US, it still feels like a big gap between him and Putin or Netanyahu.cidermaster likes this. -
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Who said anything about a pass? Had this question been asked during the Iraq war, then Bush and Blair would potentially top my last - potentially even with the current situation in Ukraine and Gaza
That’s the difference though - moral consistency ahead of whatever ‘side’ I sympathise with. The same can’t be said for a list that includes the likes of Sunak, Scholz and the president of the EU Commission, while neglecting to include Putin. It’s laughable, really.Tim-Time 1888 likes this. -
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It's not so much about the * but about the system which crates them/allowing them to emerge.
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- Natanyahucunt
- Anycunt "worth" over 1 bn
- Fabricant (random example of a type of *)
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That's really a matter of opinion. Your opinion.
How does Kim Jong Un become a "must have" while ignoring massacres in Congo and Dafur.PaulM1888 likes this. -
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It isn’t opinion. You can argue that morality itself is largely an opinion, but not that someone who condemns the actions of Israel while supporting the actions of Russia is being morally consistent. It’s imperialism that is ‘moral’ depending on the colour of the flag behind it.
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Where did I say you did? I’m giving you an example of a position that isn’t morally consistent.
Having the chancellor of Germany in there but neglecting to include an actual dictator who is directly responsible for the deaths of tens/hundreds or thousands, the murder of political rivals, the targeting of civilian infrastructure and life, all while reducing the political and press freedom in his nation, is worthy of question, if not outright ‘morally inconsistent’.
The inclusion of Netanyahu in the absence of Putin (or vice versa) is more aligned with selective morality based on ‘who’ has committed certain atrocities, rather than what those atrocities actually are.
I mean Christ man, you’re actually calling me out for including Kim Jong Un in there in the absence of anyone involved in massacres in Congo and Dafur, while you yourself haven’t included them, but have decided the German Chancellor should make the list? :giggle1:Ľubomír1, adequate citizen Zenon, cidermaster and 2 others like this. -
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It's all subjective with you leaning heavily on the lies of your personal choice Putin.
The way I see it Putin is involved in an actual war where both sides have a good capability to defend themselves. This is not a defence of him as war is never justified and as an Irish man I'm intrinsically against empire building.
The situation in Palestine is completely different. It is a slaughter of the innocence. I could say there is no attempt to minimise civilian casualties but my opinion is there is a deliberate attempt to maximise civilian casualties and cull the population.
Israel is not capable of carrying out this massacre alone it needs the support of the USA. The USA do not want to be alone in their support of Israel so in turn need the EU, UK and Canada.
I include the German chancellor because without the support of Germany the EU's support of Israel would be fractured in fact a change of position by Germany could lead to a cessation of support from the EU. Ireland, Spain and Belgium are already on the situation.
In conclusion as the slaughter in Palestine is infinitely worse then what's happening in the Ukraine then I have no problem including 5 of the main protagonists ahead of Putin.
As for calling you out on Kim that is only because you called me out for non inclusions. Everybody is entitled to there own opinion. I could feel justified in adding today the * who parked between the lines and took up 2 parking spots if it made me feel angry enough -
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Both situations are eerily similar, which makes the decision to include the primary instigator of one, but not the other, as very questionable in terms of consistency.
It would be akin to me leaving out Netanyahu, but including the likes of Modi, Xi Jinping, and Mike Johnson as individuals who have failed to condemn Russian aggression, played a part in bolstering their war economy, or held up arms supplies to Ukraine, after providing them with assurances that they would support them.
All of ^these^ guys may have acted questionably in terms of morality, but they’re nothing compared to the likes of Putin and Netanyahu, who are solely responsible for the military campaigns their forces are currently engaged in. Their can be a tendency for people to absolve either of them of blame with the “but do you condemn Hamas” or “Ukrainian *’s” nonsense, but the absolute reality is that these are people with power, who chose to exercise it over a much smaller force, and do so brutally.
I would add that the death figure is much higher in the war in Ukraine than it is in Gaza, as things stand. The counter point to that is often to argue that they’re soldiers - but they’re no more soldiers than you or I would be if invaded and forced to fight. I don’t want to get bogged down in numbers, because it devalues both acts or elevates one as ‘more bad’ than the other - and that’s not the argument I’m making - it’s that they’re both * horrendous losses of human life at the behest of 2, callous individuals.
Kim is one included but not one I feel massively about. His international interference is pretty small. My point with him was living in North Korea under Kim would effectively rob millions of people some of the best aspects of the entire human experience. Travel. Experience different cultures and perspectives. Learn. Express yourself. Achieve. Etc.Tim-Time 1888 likes this.
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