Why you shouldn't jump the fare

If the boy had been given two single tickets instead of a return, would he not have noticed that the fare was dearer than normal as it is a computer system that is used to print the tickets. I personally think he is talking pish about getting a return ticket. It will be easy to prove as every transaction is logged on the computer system. All they need to see is his ticket and match it with their computer system to see if he was given two single tickets during his transaction. This could be proved in seconds.

 

IF the boys singles story is found to be true then that is a bad show by scotrail. But if this university educated young guy had explained his situation properly without the swearing and neddy attitude this whole scenario could have been avoided. Instead one man faces possible charges and another could lose his job.

I just hope the kids decision to go to the media with the story doesn't result in him getting some serious hassle from other unsavoury sources.

 

Must be a quiet news day when stuff like this gets on the bbc...

Guy was a disrespectful numpty. When you start shouting and swearing, especially when there are little kids present, then you deserve no repsect in return. He was aggressive to the old guy trying to do his job and I think if that was my dad doing that job I would rather someone got involved to chuck the guy off, rather than standing by to wait and see what happened.

Im sure the big guy and the ticket conductor could have handled it better but I do not know why people are so quick to defend a scumbag, swearing in front of children at an old guy just trying to do his job.

 

I think you've got the wrong end of the stick.

He claims he couldn't get a return ticket because his outbound journey was before 10am (i.e. at peak time). So he knew the guy was giving him two singles. But he says he later realised that he had given him two singles going the same direction, rather than one coming back the way.

Personally I believe him, because he has no reason to make it up. The guy who threw him off the train is guilty of assault regardless of whether he had bought a ticket or not.

 

If that is what he has claimed it will still be easy to prove as the transaction on the train operators computer will show that he paid for to single tickets.

 

It was to do with his railcard. He couldn't use his railcard for travel before 10am, so he got two singles.

This is basically what he has told the paper, so I presume it makes sense in terms of the fare structure. If you were going to contact the press after the event, to lie about what had happened, you would at least make sure your story was plausible.

 

I have not read the story today but you can get an anytime return with scotrail just checked there site there and it works out cheaper than two single fares so i still think he is not telling the truth.

But as i said in my last post the computer system of scotrail will be able to tell us whether he paid for 1 or 2 single tickets

His point about his railcard not being able to use before 10am. Why would he need a return if he had a railcard as his return was after 10am

 

Who gives a * if he paid or not. He didnt deserve that and i hope he gets the * done. * man handled and his face punch for what £2. If the boy was a six foot brickshit house am sure the guy would of done * all but because it was a young 8 stone wimp hes the big man * whats it got to do with him.

 

This is the reason it makes no sense to presume his story doesn't hang together.

1) He doesn't need to prove he paid. The police are now investigating that idiot for assault, and any ticket purchase (or not) won't affect that.
2) Given that he's contacted the press himself, he's hardly going to make up a lie which would be so easily disprovable. That would be ridiculously stupid.

Anyhow, as Quadebhoy points out, this will presumably be quickly verified, presuming the Scotrail transaction database has rudimentary storage facilities for walk-up purchases.
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Nah a few months ago I was travelling by train to perth and I had bought my ticket that morning when it was off-peak - refused entry at the barrier at Queen Street and forced to buy a new ticket cos it was at peak time - they never actually told me that it was off-peak i was getting when it was sold to me. Scotrail are *.

 

That's happened to me before. We were coming back from Edinburgh and we had left Glasgow after 10 so the tickets we got were off-peak, on the way back the barrier wouldn't let us through so we had to wait in Waverley Station for 2 hours until it was back to off peak

 

What will happen is that the conductor will lose his job, guy that threw him off charged with assault and the young guy compensated for his traumatic experience. Next time someone really kicks off on a train then no one will dare go near them so what message is this sending out!! We are ultimately sending the message that you can do what you like, when you like and if anyone does or says anything about it then there in trouble. We don't know the full story but plenty of people on that train were happy when he was thrown off and the person filming it was going to pay for him (allegedly) until he started being so cheeky. If Scotrail did issue him the wrong ticket it does not give him the right to act like that and i feel it is the way he reacted that caused the situation that now sees someone up for assault and someone losing there job.

 

Bullshit. I'd suggest that assault should always be punished. If he isn't punished then it sets the precedent that you can attack who you like then, by your logic.

 

So a guys lost his job, guys up for assault and it's in no way anything to do with the young lad?

 

The guy hasnt lost his job, he has been suspended. The young lad in this situation is an outside influence. The conductor didn't follow procedure and therefore should be punished. By not following the rules of his employers he has, rightfully, been suspended. By not following said rules he caused and subsequently allowed an assault to happen. As for the man who assaulted him, if someone in the street had sworn at someone passing by, yes it may not have been particularly nice, but it doesn't mean its acceptable for a stranger not involved in the situation to assault him. I'd suggest the antics of the conductor was just as rude and as disrespectful as the young lad.

 

http://www.buytickets.scotrail.co.uk/nationalcarriage.aspx#section1d

Scotrail Conditions of Carriage place responsibility on the passenger to check they have been given the correct tickets, as travelling with an invalid ticket will be treated the same as travelling without a ticket.

He could be charged a penalty fare if it can be proven that he knew he was carrying an invalid ticket before boarding the train.

He could also be charged with breach of the peace if another passenger on the train complains about his swearing.

 

http://www.facebook.com/sammain16

He's a mate of a mate, apparently he's a bit of a *.

He's also a massive tic fan as well...

 

There is no * debate. All three of them * up. Simple.