What must Lennon achieve?

You genuinely did say complete failure if we only win the next two seasons. Look at it again mate, ye actually said it.

 

I said if all we win the next two seasons is the league. No cups. No European qualification.

Going from a treble treble, with European football past Christmas the past 2 years to that would be a failure, aye.

That much is * obvious.

 

Winning 10 in a row wouldn’t be ‘complete failure’ mate.

It just wouldn’t.

 

Uck I canny be *.

* nonsense arguments, ignoring the actual post just to make a snidey as * comment. It's pathetic.

 

I think just the league we won't keep winning every trophy i agree with him when he says this will never happen again

 

How is it ignoring the post? I’m quoting what you said in the post. If we only win the next two leagues (which would 10 in a row) it would be a complete failure.

I strongly disagree that, that would be a complete failure.

 

Winning 10IAR wouldn't be a failure, in and of itself. Obviously.

However we have absolutely dominated domestic football the past 3 seasons and had European football in each of those seasons - getting to the knockout stages twice.

I'm not saying we should win the treble again the next two seasons. But to go from what we've achieved, to winning only the league title the next two seasons, with zero cups and no European football whatsoever.

Ronny Deila achieved more than that and got punted for * sake.

 

Getting knocked out of Europe or a Cup early I think would be a bonus for the team. It would be failure but it would free up several mid weeks for better recovery and the ability to turn it on more in the League.

The main reason for the burnout and lethargic League performances the last 18 months is the players aren't putting in as much effort as they normally would just because they are doing to well in Europe and the Cups and they take priority while the League has mostly been comfortable.

It would also refresh us a bit for the next season where we could go full tilt again in all competitions having had the rest of only a 45-50ish game season.

 

I don’t disagree with that at all, we expect more than just a league win. I’m just genuinely saying it is not a ‘complete failure’

It’d be 10 in a row.

It’d be * unreal.

 

People saying that Europe doesn't matter for the next two years are * idiotic, no europe means we don't get backed in the transfer market because we haven't made the money for qualifying, no europe means we can't attract quality players, no europe means the quality players we do have will want to move elsewhere to teams with european football, or we start selling them off for big money. All of which leads to us becoming an inferior team and makes 9 and 10 less of a certainty.

Hopefully the club have a bit more sense than some fans, we're far enough behind other clubs in europe as it is without suddenly deciding that it doesn't matter for two years, qualifying for the CL will make the next two titles far easier than if we aren't in it as the teams in the spfl can't cope with a team with CL spending power and resources.

 

I think CL football next year is a no go for what it’s worth, we’ll be rebuilding and have a new look side I think. It’s rare that we get through the qualifiers when that happens.

Never mind we need to play more and more qualifiers.

Following season I’d expect it but.

 

It would be 10IAR, but it's ultimately two league titles when it comes down to it. If you know what I mean.

Given our dominance the last few years, if any manager was to come in and win 2 league titles, 0 cups and fail to qualify for Europe - over 2 seasons. They would be thanked and told to move on. Much like Deila was (and, like I said, he achieved more than that).

Of course there's more pressure given we are so close to the 10. But I don't like the idea of people being happy to sacrifice the cups and European football for two league titles. We are and should be better than that. By a distance.

 

Group stages of a European competition and the league.

 

Being less successful isn't a bonus. No matter how you want to frame it.

 

When it comes right down to it for me, I’d sacrifice Europe and the Cups rather than the League. That’s not a choice though and it wouldn’t be good enough for me. I agree with you here, all I’m saying is describing 10 in a row, regardless of how we end up there, as a complete failure is just nonsensical.

We’re operating at an insane level of success here.

 

1. Win 2 leagues in a row

2. Don’t give me a red face in Europe

3. Don’t let Lawwell take you for a mug

4. Don’t get beat in the cups against the Scum.

In that order.

 

The circumstances have changed though.

Winning 6 Cups in a row in addition to 3 Group Stage qualifications in a row and even European games after Christmas 2/3 times has knocked the stuffing out the team physically.

Reaching the Scottish Cup final gives you a week less off in the summer which is significant when you only get about 4 weeks as it is. Then not getting a break all season, constant games and travelling. Then not only that but domestically we are pretty much always playing fresh teams. Other Leagues usually have a few teams who get into Europe, usually the better ones so they are competing more evenly with similar schedules.

We are usually the only team in our League who get into Europe, so it's us struggling playing 60 games a season year in year out with weeks less of a summer break. Against the others playing 43-45 games a season with the extra breaks.

All those extra mid weeks off keeps the players at their peaks physically for longer and tactically they get the extra days planning for when they play us.

It would be some achievement to get to 10 in a row while still being in the Group Stages of Europe and reaching Cup finals. If we do then it means from 5 till 10 in a row we will have played 300 games in 5 years and still remained that good.

 

Again, I'm not describing 10IAR as a complete failure.

I'm saying to go from winning 3 trebles in a row and achieving European football to winning only the league and no European football is a complete failure. And it is.

There's quite clearly a difference there.

 

You’re describing only winning the league for the next two years as a complete failure. Which would be 10 in a row.

 

It would complete 10IAR, aye. But it's just two campaigns.

See when we were chasing after 5 and 6, would so many people be happy with just the league title? No cups or European football? I doubt it. So the expectations and requirements should be no different now.

Think this is where the disconnect is. We're so close to the 10 so some are willing to put everything else on hold just so we can win the league. It shouldn't be like that.