War it is!

I'm sure Obama would've slipped Cameron a few worrying whispers in his ear regarding independence. It's much more appealing to America for us to be 'United' rather that be split meaning they would need to rely on England.

I know trying to contain ISIS was gokg to need to happen at somepoint or another but a few weeks/months down the line we will be questioning (again) why we're paying millions on war and not to ensure the future of our own country. If I voted No I would be a sick pup :smiley-laughing002:

 

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The coalition of the willing

Slovenian PM not happy about being made part of anti-ISIS coalition without knowing


I am bothered by the fact that we have been placed on the list without the government's knowledge," Cerar said.


http://www.neurope.eu/article/slove...made-part-anti-isis-coalition-without-knowing

 

Spread the blame and hope ISIS choose some of the smaller countries for revenge attacks. This will have the dual benefit of taking the heat off the main perpetrators and in the event of an attack on the likes of Slovenia gaining the campaign more appeal among wavering nations.

 

ISL are a very well organised, professionally lead by Saddams officers, and well financed. If we don't stop them in Iraq/Syria they will soon be causing havoc on the streets of London , Glasgow and every other Euro city.

A recent poll showed that est. 16% of the population of France support ISL and its ideology. They are not alone either.

Not in our mandate ? *

Nor is the Ebola epidemic but the West are trying to help stop that too.

 

They've always got to be fighting someone in some sort of capacity. It makes me sick. Get yer own house in order before worrying about someone elses.

 

The March to War:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ma...or-us-mobilization-against-syria-iran/5404375

 

The March to War : not sure I would attach any more credibility to the opinion of a Moscow based Russian Think Tank than I would to the Americans. I would tend to lean towards the 60 countries who fear ISL/ ISIS and are prepared to stop the rape/ butchery of innnocents. Regardless of the whataboutery of who started it.

Russia is in no position to lecture anyone.

 

PS It was the Christian Science Monitor who had the "scoop" that George Galloway was taking huge bribes from Saddam Hussein and surprise, surprise British agents discovered the incriminating receipts in a safe in Baghdad.

Total bollocks of course, as it was later proved.

Don't believe everything you read.

 

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/isis-slau...lawiyah-baghdad-failed-124546121.html#06rK5NI


Isis Slaughter 'Hundreds' at Iraqi Army Saqlawiyah Base: 'Baghdad Failed to Send Air Support'

Fresh details of the recent capture of an Iraqi military base by Islamic State (IS) militants have emerged, suggesting Baghdad failed to send air support to counter the assault that eventually resulted in the death of dozens of soldiers.
Camp Saqlawiyah near the town of Sijir, Anbar province, 45 miles (70 kilometers) west of Baghdad fell after it was attacked by IS suicide bombers disguised in Iraqi army uniforms and driving stolen Humvees at the weekend.
In a video posted online a man identifying himself as soldier who managed to escape and survive claims that, after the first explosion hit the base gates, he phoned his commander asking for help.
"He said, 'Yes, yes, air support is on its way,'" the man says. "Since I made the call to him until I reached (a) base about three hours later, I did not see a single plane."
A similar account was given in a separate video by a second serviceman who was shot and wounded during the gunfight.
"From 2:30 a.m. until 10 a.m., no one came to help us," the man said, according to the CNN. "... No one responded, and they sent us nothing." Both videos and the soldiers' accounts could not be independently verified.
The exact number of troops that died in the attack is disputed, with some reports saying 40 soldiers were killed and 68 captured and others suggesting up to 300 died.
The Washington Post reported that at least 820 soldiers were stationed at Camp Saqlawiyah when it came under attack.
The newspaper said almost a week earlier, IS militants had taken over a nearby bridge cutting off all access routes to the camp.
Earlier this week, some 30 captive men in Iraqi military uniforms were paraded by IS extremists through the streets of the nearby city of Fallujah.
Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi ordered an investigation into the incident and said the government was committed to reinforcing military and police forces in Anbar.
Some analysts said the onslaught casts doubts on the Iraqi army's ability to retake control of territory seized by IS, previously known as Isis, without the deployment of international troop son the ground.
"I think the events since the Islamic State invasion ... have shown the Iraqi military is incapable of going toe-to-toe (with ISIS)," the Long War Journal editor Bill Roggio said.

 

Creating and destroying monsters in the middle east while the local population suffers collateral damage should not be overlooked. If ISIS are destroyed it will be on to the next project wherein we will see the whole cycle begin again. Would the whataboutery be as trivial if it were western civilians who were suffering the wholesale death and destruction.

 

It was the Russians who stopped the invasion of Syria last year, it was the Russians who objected to the destruction of Libya, it was the Russian who warned what would happen if you installed a bunch of *,s in Kiev, etc, etc,.....

Maybe what the Russians are saying should be given a little more credability...

The one good thing to come out of the recent Scottish referendum, is the fact that millions of Scots will take everything to come out of the MSM, with a large dose of salt....This can only be a good thing...

 

Im not saying its trivial, but it doesn't help solve the present crisis. to argue about who did what and when. There is a savage war in the Middle East and its between Shia and Sunni ideologies, with thousands of innocent victims caught in the crossfire.

Whats your solution then ? let them butcher each other till a winner becomes clear.

 

We could start by stopping the flow of arms and money to the Syrian Jihadists, then we could block of the border (supply lines) at Turkey and Jordan.

Not gonna happen though, cos ISIS were created for a reason....

 

Past US/ UK governments in their own interest have installed puppets ( inc Saddam Hussein) supported tyrants and formented division in the Middle East. Who armed and equipped Osama Bin laden and his fighters when they were fighting the Russian "invaders" .

Only right that they should try and sort the mess out as they helped create it, but ISL must be stopped.

 

This.

Prevention is better than cure. Solving today's problems to create more in the future is certainly not a solution.

 

Only the UN and the people of the middle east would have any chance of sorting this out, sending in the Anglo/American forces will only drive tens of thousands of moderates into the hands of the Jihadists.

The sooner the region is left alone, the sooner the region may get back to some normality....

 

Can we move this to H&P so the outside world can't laugh at all the conspiracies in here? It's so boring now, every thread descends into this sort of rubbish now.

The west created ISIS...

The West wants to bomb Iran...

Russia the anti-fascist, anti-Islamist wonder nation...

 

The dream of Sunni Jihadists is to create a Caliphate from North Africa to
Indonesia. The Sunni muslims are the dominant ideology. ISL/ISIS already control a large area of Iraq and Syria and are recruiting more fighters daily.

They don't recognise borders , "left alone" they will consolidate and expand their influence and operations. They don't negotiate.

Their raison d'etre is Jihad and they are prepared to die for their dream.