UEFA CONSIDER CELTIC ACTION

Well said Keltoi! You are the top contributor on this site!

 

you sing national anthems??? ban them!!! sectarian they would be too!!!

 

The worst thing about some very small sections of our support is their apparent addoration for the IRA, they were murderous thugs who were not interested in democracy!

 

talk all you like but this is the usual media pish that comes out before another scum v celtic game . if they have anything on us it very little. sent youtube evidence to uefa ma *. scottish media *. lets get right intae them * knuckle draggers

 

because democracy is only for the weak. dictatorship for the win!


don't worry, UEFA won't do a *.

 

black and white for you all to see
Celtic Football Club statement

 

i tried to ignore your ridiculous post but i just couldn't do it. have you ever lived somewhere where you've been treated as a second class citizen? has your house ever been shot at? ever got beaten by cops for * all? i have and cant say i liked it too much. the fact is without the "murderous thugs" myself and many other northern catholics would still be treated as second class citizens and experience discrimination in terms of employment, housing and education. civil rights and politics got us nowhere, the unionists had their own little protestant state where they could do whatever the * they wanted and were not gonna change because some people started marching.

catholic area's were routinely targeted by loyalist thugs and members of the security forces watched/co operated so "murderous thugs" like my family took arms and defended their area's. whether liberals accept it or not northern ireland would not have changed since the 50's or 60's were it not for the I.R.A. i'm not claiming it was all sunshine and light but there will always be casualties in war, its a mean to an end mo cara

 

Dont think you can just tar them all with the same brush (get it, tar, IRA!!). Some were fighting fro what they believed in. Nelson Mandella is a terrorist, but he is one of the most respected men throughout the world.

Just wrote there that this aint the place to prob discuss politics, but it is. It relates totally to what we are talking about here. The fact of the matter is that no1 actualy knows what is classed as sectarianism. Sure there are dictionary definitions flying about, but it all comes down to the person who hears them. Most rebel songs are about Irish men getting killed fighting the British Army. There aint a lot of killing sung about of British soldiers. A lot of them are like songs of rememberance. We aint wading in orange blood or nowt.

If there is no, or little, evidence of songs being sung in the ground then it will pass. UEFA cant take a few chants and turn them into a full blown case against Celtic. They are not the SFA or anything!! At the end of the day, I feel as if the last thing that UEFA want to do is get themselves heavily involved in this situation. They know if they know start to fine Celtic, the next time the Huns play and they sing a song they will be forced to act. There have been blatant cases of players being singled out in games for racism and most of the crowd particpating and there being nothing done.

But I do feel that the songs that Celtic Fans shouldnt sing 'IRA'. There really aint many songs (could come back to bite me here) that we sing that do mention them . But the Celtic symphony has been sung more and more recently so I feel that when the Oh ah up the ra comes, we just change to oh ah up the Celts. I know thats what I sing when I am at PArkhead and we sing it. I am going to stop now before I start to move away from the point too much

 

That's a bit of a generalisation pal, Were the invading brits all great blokes? The IRA previously IRB formed to fight for democracy for the opressed in Ireland Catholic and Protestant!
Back to the original point, what a load of *! No shock about the timing though.

 

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what a pile of *

 

One thing I think people need to realise is that, apart from those obsessed with the subject (who need to realise they are a very tiny minority), most folk in Scotland know as much about the IRA and Irish history as Irish people know about Scottish history or both know about Welsh hisory- practically nothing (sorry seeeing braveheart twice doesnt count:icon_mrgreen. And thats fair enough. Why should people who are unconnected know detailed history. In fact most people only have a confused idea of their own country's history. So, when it comes to making the distinction between the old and new IRA in songs and chants it is not going to wash. Growing up in the NE of Scotland, most people's knowledge of Ireland didnt extend past Terry Wogan and most (from personal experience) couldnt even tell you if Dublin was in the north or south of Ireland. I even remember people who thought the troubles was a war of all of Northern Ireland v all of the Republic. You might wonder how you could be so ignorant of this but people switch off and go 'not that again' when something comes up on the news constantly. I used to do it with the middle east-I got so fed up hearing about it I refused to listen to anything to do with the area for over a decade when I was growing up.

 

all very true mate, which makes it even more annoying that borderbhoy is on here calling members of the I.R.A "murderous thugs". my knowledge of scottish history is superficial to say the least so i wouldn't come on here calling william wallace a murderous thug, even though i've seen braveheart 3 times, so maybe borderbhoy should keep his incredibly uninformed opinions about the I.R.A to himself

 

end of the day. If it's your own country they are fighting for they are known as freedom fighters. but if its some other country then they are tarred as terrorists. Technically William Wallace was a terrorist, but he wont be remembered as that, every Scottish person will think of William Wallace as a heroic freedom fighter.

 

Its certainly complex. There are certainly some things that PIRA did that was beyond human decency like no-warning pub bombs on civilians, Enniskillen etc that lost them the moral high ground in my eyes and meant I could never support or defend defend them even if I agree with some of their aims..and like a lot of paramilitaries, they tolerated and exploited some total psychos and vulernable/marginal people for their purposes. I have a problem with that moral gap and the disregard for individuals and use of/sacrifice of them as pawns. I know some would say all is fair in war and all sides were at it but I think only pretty ruthless people lacking some humanity could do some of the things that were done so I refuse to admire them. However, I respect other opinions cause everones experiences and moral systems are different.

 

i know what you're saying, in the words of primal scream "one mans freedom fighter is anothers terrorist", but i can identify with any oppressed people in the world. the scots and irish have had similar histories to an extent and i would expect people to understand that, william wallace fought to free his people and did it through whatever means necessary, as did the I.R.A

 

i'm not saying the I.R.A are whiter than white, far from it but in war there will always be innocent victims, as i said before its a means to an end. you have to think about why people would do such things, and its desperation because they have been persecuted so much and violence is the last resort

 

put it another way, in scotland catholics are a minority ,if the prodestants started all the same thing as they did in ireland what would you do ,stand-up and fight or cower away from it,the irish catholics i take my hat off to ,they stood up for themselves and a group was formed called the IRA ,yes they killed is that not what most armies do ,the fought for what was rightfully theres ,would you not ,i would ,iwould not be looked down at by anybody ,the irish had there fight ,i dont what its like now , but i hope it is a better place ,the simple matter of it is ,it could have been scotland .how would you have coped

 

well said sir, its easy to label people murderous thugs but if you were treated the way we have been then you'd do the same