Tony Mowbray [threads merged]

Mowbray still needs time but with managers like Mark Hughes and Carlos Qieroz probably available in the summer then Mowbray would want to start getting results pronto!

 

yeah carlos would love to manage in sunny scotland lol mark hughes possibly

 

Mogga - WBA View

Just reading through the various comments on the forum and it makes for interesting reading!

I loved Mogga when he was at the Albion, most fans would say the same (Those who don't are mainly hacked off at the manner in which he left.) but the one thing you folks need to realise is that this building of a defense you keep talking about will never happen.

The main reason for this, because mogga never lets his defenders defend, you may be suprised but the time he spent with us he actually had decent defenders, but he tried to make them 'footballers' and they went overnight from steady defenders to players who looked like bamby on ice because he wants every player to have 'soft feet' and be able to play in any area of the pitch.

The reality of it is, the way he wants to play means having £7,8,9 million+ defenders, it's something we didn't have (or could afford) and I think you guys are in the same boat.

His 'football principles' mean that he won't shut out a game 1-0 with 15 mins left by playing ugly. And like in previous posts on here, his bravery and gung ho style might get * you a win or a point from a likely loss, but you will also drop points from games you look in total control of or at least were heading for a point.

I suppose all I'm trying to say is, if you enjoy entertaining attacking football then stick with the guy, If you want to win the titles, cups and get futher in Europe every single year then get rid now. He just isn't varied or flexible enough in his approach and mentality to change the way he wants to play to get results.

 

Decent post.


Agree with all your points, the majority want Mugga out and I can't understand those who want him to stay when we're just getting worse and worse.

 

We are Celtic fans, we want both

I was hoping his time in England and a season in the Premier League would have hardended him, and also hoped he knew how important winning is being a player here previously and now being the boss.

There has been good football but teams just sit back and catch us out on the break and at set-pieces.

I would say Olsson did well for you guys, he was just a defender wasn't he? Not a player. I think he has done the same with Hooiveld.

Maybe he will adapt, maybe not. If he doesn't he will have to go.

We can't play second fiddle in Scotland. Second is as good as last here. This is a club that has to win.

 

great quote

 

My one area of concern about Tony Mowbray, as much as I like him, has always been his ability to keep it tight at the back. Like Kieran said, I hope that his season of managing in the Premiership will have hardened him a bit in that respect. If he cannot demonstrate an ability to make us reasonable defensively then he WILL ultimately fail at Celtic.

 

Evidently not mate.

 

We shouldnt have went for 3 strikers at the transfer window and the board knew it the time our top priority was defenders yes they brought in houveild but st ledger and ramis what happened to them ? if mowbray really wanted them he should have grabbed the board by the balls and told them to cough up the cash we have let it happen to many times going for players then never had the cash to buy them.I think samaras was the one that should have went to many spl clubs know his play he gets the ball and gallops towards our goal! thats pathetic but when the guys confidence is high then he is a good players but he misses to many easy chances wheres henrik when you need him?Houveild looks like a wild guy doesnt mess with the ball thats what we need * the passin and just get the ball to * job done. A hate it when mowbray comes out after we lose and say we played well we dominated most of the game but we lose we have to take it on the chin, * but a hope he stays as he has said we need time to get a good squad of players. The board will give him to this time next year then he will have no excuses if its the same old bullshit he will be out the door

 

thanks for coming on this forum and saying this cos there are some people out there that think mowbray will sort out the defence. i myself was worried back last year when mark venus stated that they played attacking football and if that did not work then there was no plan b.
what are the pro mowbray fans going to say next season when we are still having the same defensive problems and could be trailing in the league again .....will it be time for him to go then? when it could be heading for a possible 3 in a row for the huns? and we will have less cash to spend on players cos it will be less likely we will get to the CL. mowbray is not going to change his style and we will keep on leaking goals, so we better get used to the huns winning the league for the next few seasons if mogga is at the helm.
any half decent manager who knows how to organise a team would get better results than mogga!!!!

 

take some

They have some responsibility, not getting players in last jan widow would have won the league, then going for 3rd best manager??? everybody and there granny new how bad our defence has been for 3 seasons????

 

First off , how about we deal with situations as they happen and not scaremongering that things might be the same in a years time..

I think the pro Mowray fans will say , "what's the problem man , we're skooshing the title and we have the tighest defence in the league"..

People are wrongly puting the blame for all the defensive errors down to the system.. Which part of Tony's negligence or failure to defending cross balls was it that cost us a penalty on Saturday ? Countless other goals conceded have been results of players not doing the basic things right and may continue in the case of Loovens , or anyone else at the back , (certainly would have continued with Caldwell and Mcmanus so he has made changes that we are still waiting to benefit from) but you just never know maybe Hooiveled will be rock solid and allow for a reliable partnership to form with his countryman.. TM can't be held accountable for every time a player sells the jersey.. He's brought the players to the club so failure or success at the end of his reign will be on his shoulders , but he needs players to start cutting out basic errors and start repaying the faith he has put in them..

 

i hope you are right jiko, i hope we do skoosh the league next season and if the hoops under mowbray do i will hold my hands up and say i was wrong because like all other celtic fans i just want a winning team on the park.

i just cant see it under mowbray, he likes to play attacking football and that can expose defences, i dont think he will change his style so i think we will always leak goals with mowbray at the helm.
the wba fan who posted earlier saidthat they had good defenders at wba and mowbray made them worse.
in the end its a results driven sport and mowbray is not getting the results

 

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Just seen this post and actually and thought it was real entertaining and ironic that you think i made a complete * of myself.

Glad to see you have the time to write that out mate really says alot.

 

Nahh they will just wait till he's * next season up too.

 

I agree they * up last season yes but They have done good for us this season imo...

 

i agree with you mate, they will finally see sense when its to late next season. they should be cutting their losses now and bringing in a new man to get ready for next season....now

 

Mowbray did try and get in St.Ledger and Ramis but the deals could not be done! If we had got 1 or both of these 2 players we would have had a much improved team .. The likley hood is we will sign St.Ledger along with another CB in the Summer , Keano will probally go but will be replaced by a new striker! Add these to the quality signings Mogga has made then what's going to stop us walking the leauge next season?

 

whats going to stop us walking it next year?.......the fact that mowbray's team wont defend as a unit,wont close other teams down when they have the ball, throw too many players forward even when we are winning which exposes the defence. i think even if we do get 1 or 2 new cb's in the summer we will still have problems at the back. we will see, i hope i am wrong but i don't think so.....hail hail

 

This was the biggest area for discussion when Mogga lead us in the Prem and the Championship.

At the begining he was defended becuase it seemed like players were making some shocking individuals errors (see if you can find some highlights because some of them were corkers!!), but after 12 months of it you have to ask yourself whether your supporting the unluckiest team in the league or whether there is something else contributing to the errors.

We soon came to realise that we wouldn't cut out the mistakes because it was the way they were being told to play. Instead of putting the ball into row z the defenders were told to play themselves out of suitations. Its a fantastic way to play, but unless you have really top class defenders they are always going to drop a * somewhere. You can see it in there eyes, body language - indecision on wether to clear or play, they end up getting caught, playing a * ball etc etc.

Everything you guys are seeing we saw at West Brom, the only major difference was that he inherited some v.good strikes for the championship and the free scoring covered the mistakes at the back. Which is somethign you guys struggled with when he first came, so there's even more emphasis on the mistakes your defenders make.

Mogga's a great guy (although some of his aftermatch comments get a bit repettive), I really wished him well when he came to you guys, especially with the relationship he had with the club, and everything he'd been through when up there, but his biggest problem is adaptability, there is no plan 'B', he won't play ugly for the sake of a result and sometimes I think you need to fit players to a style not a style to a player and thats what can cause you no end of problems.