Tony Mowbray [threads merged]

We were on title winning form for a couple of months up to the window and still looked good in the OF game. Mogga had stumbled on an SPL friendly blend of players (not necessarily the purists favourite 11 players)

Boruc-Hinkel-Fox/Naylor-Caldwell-Loovens-Crosas-NHuemo-Robson-McGeady-Sammy/Skippy-Fortune.


In that good run we stuck by almost the same 11 for the first time this season. I think that group of players just needed one more quality CB and poacher and we would have walked the title. There was no need for all this madness. All transfers out (other than fringe guys like Killen and Flood) would have waited till the summer. It was a very very unlikley gamble to chage hal that team and for it not to cost us the league.

 

You have a bit of a selective memory. You can use the "we lost it late on" bullshit all you want but you either win the league or you don't. The football last season was *, zero entertainment and zero league title with the decline already well set in.

Most supporters want a team that can score goals as we will always have to take the game to other teams but also a team that can keep it tight at the back. Neither of which we done well last season.

As for the Celtic man comment that is a joke with no reasonable thinking fan buying into it.

 

I'm sorry but you think it is acceptable to draw a game having scored 4 goals in the spl

Josh thompson and darren o'dea are both good defenders, * look at caldwell loovens mcmanus and o'dea, they were all very decent defenders under strachan now mowbray comes in and all of a sudden there not

What conclusion can you draw from that?

I don't care if we were playing with a second string defence because the 1st string had been leaking goals like that all season fs and we were playing an SPL class team with some really class players and we don't win as we haven't done all season. The only link between the team that started this season and the team That will finish it is the manager and the team will play the exact same way and drop the same number of points because of him.


Mowbary can't win with his teams. If his teams are the underdog then they can't win because they are not good enough, if they are the favourite they can't win because they haven't got the mental strengh and bottle it.

He got promoted with west brom because he was on a level playing field with the rest and there wasn't much expectation on his and his teams shoulders.

He can't hack the pressure (like was shown by his outburst against the players a few months back) and he lets that transmit onto the players hence there lack of bottle and gile.

Ability is nothing without a good mentality in life at celtic.

 

I think people are missing the point with the wholesale changes... it's basically been a clearout with loan signings to cover the cracks. We solved nothing in January. We were complaining about the defence and we are still complaining about the defence, nothings changed. I never accepted the 'this isn't Mowbray's team' excuse.

What will we be left with come the summer when the loan signings go? I don't see any of them staying if we win nothing. All we can offer these players is the success and prestige of playing for Celtic... I see no success this season.

 

Strachan done a great job for us no doubt about very successful. The fact is no matter how the fans treated him he was going to leave at the end of last season. He has always said four years is long enough at the one club. He left with most fans best wishes for the amount of trophies he broughyt to the club. I like mowbray he seems a good guy and tries to play football the right way but what shocked me last year when he was in charge of west brom was his refuusal to change his style eventhough he was taking them down. Hope he gets time and works it out but truthfully i think the celtic job was a little too big for him.

 

head in the sands?????

Are you for real, do you want to go on like this till the end of the season, and carry on the same next season, because if we dont fix this right now it will just drag on with our head in the sands, have you looked at the results thro the season and saw we dont win games back to back,I thougth wgs was bad but he is a * nightmare, no matter what the * happens 2morrow, it is the hoops we need to be worried about, and sticking your head in the sand wont change a * thing.

 

how much??????

so how much time do we give him?????? even till next season, because thats what that * board will do just carry on regardless

 

Yeah but that team just blew it and no more against a better Rangers team than this season. Why against a poorer Rangers team are we much worse off. This is not just your normal blip here. Its nearly unique. He inherited about 8 players who were good enough to play in the CL last 16 twice. People also will try and excuse it as a transformation year but WGS axed all but 4 of MON's first 11 immediately. Mogga still consideres about 5 of WGS's players first picks. So, the transformation has actually been slightly less and slower under Mogga. Transformations can be managed or mismanaged and there is no dount in my mind that this transformation (which has left a very week defensive) has been really badly managed.

 

Please note that the point of this thread is not Strachan. Its more about Mogga not being the right kind of manager to pick. We needed someone more like WGS. A practical results orientated guy with a feel for how to win the SPL (which I think WGS got as a player). I am not saying we should have kept Strachan.

 

Like mark mcgee

 

No they won't. To start realistically contending for this title, given the amount of points we can reasonably expect them to drop, we'd have to string together half a dozen wins or so on the bounce. We can't even win back-to-back games right now, and we're shipping goals. Even the most realistic scenario has us beating Rangers twice, and I just don't see where that's coming from.

Mowbray will almost certainly still be here in the summer, but his position should then be evaluated, and it doesn't make pretty reading. We've handed the league to Rangers (in my opinion) and it's only the middle of February, we were dumped out of a less than impressive Europa League group with a game still to play, we got put out of the CIS Cup at home, and given the way we're playing, do you fancy our chances of winning the Scottish Cup? I don't. All this along with a league record being held up in comparison to a joke figure from the club's all too recent past tells me that Mowbray is simply not up to the job.

 

I'll reserve judgement on Mowbray until the end of the season but the idea of Celtic playing fast free flowing football, scoring on the end of it and not conceding much is just a pipe dream beyond us unless scottish football drastically improves; quality and money wise and even then there are few clubs that can pull this style of football off effectively. No point harking back to Strachan. Intelligent manager but he couldn't spot a decent player to save his *rse. Hope we build a spine in the team then start worrying about attacking football.

 

says it all, the songs says well follow you through and through not just 1 bad season thats not even over yet , get a grip

 

No. My point is we should not have considered the following as of any importance:

Celtic man

Plays Celtic way


Its no coincidence Mogga fits both IMO. Would Mogga come out of a random list of experienced managers? No, the above 2 considerations clearly helped put him in the frame.

My point is that traditionalist thinking holds us back and makes us limit our choices. My point about getting what we wished for is that many fans did want a manager who fitted the two above characteristics and I think the club listened. I dont think they should have. The fans are the heart, not the head when it comes to things.

 

I think I finally have worked this out . Its my fault ! Being a bit too old for wearing a football top when I am out and about , I have taken to wearing my "bumblee bee" top in the house when watching the game . Everytime I have succumbed to this guilty pleasure we have shipped points . So I apologies and this effing thing will be winging its way to africa come Monday morning .

I think like most of us I am absolutely flabbergasted and the amount of points we have lost this season . How can we look so good going forward and so * awfull at the back . Why cant Tony organise a simple defense that just kicks the ball the way they are facing as hard as they fecking can and why cant we sign a left back who is not fecking mental ?

I am not normally prone to critising the manager, but I just cant see how Tony can turn this arround . Maybe its time to go ? The league to all intents and purposes is over , maybe a new manager could start to put his stamp on the team and prepare for the closed season . I just cant see how the big chap can survive.

 

Agreed that decision was shocking.Mowbray is losing the plot

 

Mowbray Quote

"Rangers might get beat tomorrow. It might be a point gained for us, so we'll wait and see," added Mowbray.

How can he say this?. I feel any draw for celtic is 2 points lost, if Hibs win thery are only 2 points below us with a game in hand so a point is of no use there. And to think its a point gained when you had the lead like we did today, the poor results just keep coming, use any excuse you want about the player we got rid of and the players we brought in, the bottom line is the results on the park.
I like the attacking football we are trying to play but you need a very balanced team which we dont have, the defence, looked like headless chickens today, I want 3 points every game and if its done with skill, flair, and attacking football then I know I an watching Celtic. the manager is runing out of time the wolves are hungry, this is the presure of being the Celtic Manager. poor poor excuse Tony.

 

one wobble my * they were absolute pish last season and he walked not hounded out,but twist the truth any way you want mate

 

the bare facts about mowbrays acheivments in management are-hibs actually won something after he left, west brom were up and down evry season so he done nothing there that any previous manager had failed to do other than he failed to take them up after being relegated the previous season having to do it a season later then promptly got them relegated with a record low amount of points!!

 

no mate the facts are this-failed to beat top 6 opposition on 9 out of 13 attempts,failed to win at home 9 times in all comps, failed to beat the bottom spl side in 2 out of 2 attempts ,failed to beat and lagging effectivly 10 points behind the worst hun side in 25 years despite £11+ being spent on the team.