The war on terror(lies?)

terrorits, * terrorist i'll take them all. one after the other!(in a boxing ring not with bombs)

 

9/11 and 7/7 inside job. YouTube - Fabled Enemies Full Length

Christmas bomber, the CIA let the boy on the plane. If Abdulmutallab Trained With Al-Qaeda, Why Did The U.S. Government Let Him On A Plane?

Al-Qaeda was set up back in the late 70s and early 80s by the American government for them to carry out operations to take over Russian satellites which Bin Laden was the main man to lead them into these missions.

If you believe that Bin Laden done these 9/11 attacks, why isn't he accused of 9/11 on the FBI site? FBI — Ten Most Wanted

The war on terror is a lie full stop and the government murder there own people in mass genocide.

Other links of interest.

YouTube - 911 Loose Change (full-length)
YouTube - EndGame HQ full length version

 

Thanks for posting up a off-topic pre-judgemental comment

After 1 hour of 9/11 over 100 news channels reported Bin Laden to be carrying out attacks, bush telling the nation he is responsible. Not Believed.

this is admitted on record on the fabled enemies video I posted up. Watch it to see the truth. 9/11 commission report is total and utter propaganda and doesn't even mention building 7. What a shame on the family's that have to go through misery on knowing the government planned out mass genocide.

 

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These attacks happen beccause they hate us and want to kill us no matter what, even if we pulled all our troops out they would still attack us because they want to dominate the world.

And the Movie you are talking about is Restrepo, and there is actually very little insensitivity when dealing with Afghan Civilians in fact it is always done with alot of respect and if you had watched the movie you would know this.

That Al Qaeda was responsible for 9/11 is FACT, The evidence says so. I find it funny that you refuse to look at the facts yet you will tout the same biased websited and videos every time and claim them as facts even after they are disproved.

That is why no one takes your points seriously, next you will tell me that Margeret Thatcher was actually the Easter bunny who made a human robot and controlled it by sonar waves from Antartica

We could beat them easily if we didnt have idiots from the state department running the operations in Afghanstan, the military doesnt actually have total control of their own overall strategy it is dictated to them by people who sit behind desks all day and read a bunch of books and articles and think they know what to do.

I have never said I deny them I have said that they get blown out of proportion, when you consider the US military's numbers is in the Millions there are very few incidents.

As for * Sunday it is a whole different situation, the English hate the Irish and they were in Northern Ireland simply to keep their last colony, US soldiers do not hate the afghan or iraqi civilians

Who do you think they are a threat too, and we are not imposing our views on them, we are stopping them from killing our citizens. But you know what if in their view it is ok to oppress women, rape children, murder innocent citizens, and blow up buses full of jewish schoolkids then I would be ok with us forcing out views on them.

Invasions of Eastern Europe, the balkans, Spain, and India. You say that the people under sharia law want it, why don't you go back in time and ask the Jews of Berlin if they wanted Hitler, They have no choice. Sharia is an evil form of slavery that breaks almost every basic Human right. I don't care how old their culture is they do not have the right to murder young girls just for learning how to read, Stone a woman because she wont have * with her husband, or hang a woman because she was raped.

Yes, In Colonial India Women were burned alive with their husband bodies if they became widowers and this was common practice because a woman was considered the mans property. When Colinial officials banned the practice they was an outcry that we had no right to interfere with there culture and it was none of our business, but Basic Human rights take precedence of any culture or set of laws. If your culture allows you to kill someone because they have different beliefs, or Discrimnate and put down other classes, sexes, or races, then I am sorry but your culture should be destroyed.

 

The attacks happened because the terrorists hate, they hate us with a passion and are happy to kill as many people as possible to bring about the calphate. They think nothing of killing themselves (or sending others to kill themselves as the top dogs wouldn't do that). The Islamic terrorists are pure evil.

So because Scotland has it's own legal system we should let Muslims follow Sharia if they so wish, so you are allowing people in the UK to commit crimes that others would get punished for? The absurdacy of this has already been shown in a case in Germany where a court refused to give a woman a restraining order against her husband because the husband successfully argued that under their culture he was allowed to beat his wife. Thankfully this outrage was reversed upon appeal but that shows exactly how dangerous it would be to allow Sharia law to be used in the UK. Husbands could beat their wifes, girls could be kept away from school, women could be punished for being raped thus bringing shame on their family - and you want to see that allowed in the UK?

 

Sounds like the US mate.

 

Keep on topic guys

 

>>These attacks happen beccause they hate us and want to kill us no matter what, even if we pulled all our troops out they would still attack us because they want to dominate the world.

>>And the Movie you are talking about is Restrepo, and there is actually very little insensitivity when dealing with Afghan Civilians in fact it is always done with alot of respect and if you had watched the movie you would know this.<<

Apologies for getting the name of the guy killed wrong. You average Afghani cares not a jot about you, I or any other westerner. They have never attacked anyone outside of Afghanistan, so with all due respect you are talking oot yir hind end.

Also I did watch the docu and I read in disbelief that you believed the locals were treated with sensitivity. Perhaps the gulf in how we gauge sensitivity explains how you have lost the 'hearts and minds'.


On the war in Afghanistan

We could beat them easily if we didnt have idiots from the state department running the operations in Afghanstan, the military doesnt actually have total control of their own overall strategy it is dictated to them by people who sit behind desks all day and read a bunch of books and articles and think they know what to do.<<

I'm sorry but I disagree with your premise and history backs me up. Let's say the military were allowed a free hand and all the devastation that would entail. The great Alexander tried and failed. The great Khans who followed Ghenghis failed, the mughals of India failed, The British Empire at it's height tried twice and failed, many poems have been written about English bones on the plains of Kabul, the Russians and their millions of soldiers failed. Apart from the hundreds of thousands of innocent Afgani casualties who will invariably die, how do you propose to police your 'victory'?

The US simply does not have enough troops to control an Afghanistan that doesn't want to be controlled. You failed miserably in Vietnam with a people who wanted to be free of foreign intervention. Even if you could subjigate Afghanistan by military means it would only be a pyhhric victory, so many of those good Irish-American boys dying for nothing but a corrupt foreign policy paid for by oil company intersts bent on getting that oil pipeline overland.

You are aware of that aren't you? What your guys could be dying for potentially, is it worth it?


On Islamic terrorists;
>>Who do you think they are a threat too, and we are not imposing our views on them, we are stopping them from killing our citizens. But you know what if in their view it is ok to oppress women, rape children, murder innocent citizens, and blow up buses full of jewish schoolkids then I would be ok with us forcing out views on them.<<

Is that the great US allies Saudi Arabia you speak of? Seriously if it is Palestinian or Arabs in general you speak of. I have to re-state why shouldn't these people get angry and want revenge? Israeli helicopter gunships supplied by the US fire missiles supplied by the US that indiscriminately murder Arab wimmen and children. Israeli artillery, supplied by the US fire ammunition supplied by the US that destroy buildings and kill people by the score. Again Israel builds apartheid walls, steal Palestininan lands, build colonies and create free-fire zones on Palestinian farmlands, all with the full permission and support of the US. Look at how Barak and vice President Biden were humiliated recently by the Israelis for daring to suggest that the Israelis should not colonise any more land.

Result..........they shamefully turned tail instead of standing upto the fascist *, less the upset the Jewish lobby in the states that provides votes for the Democrats.


Invasions of Eastern Europe, the balkans, Spain, and India. You say that the people under sharia law want it, why don't you go back in time and ask the Jews of Berlin if they wanted Hitler, They have no choice. Sharia is an evil form of slavery that breaks almost every basic Human right. I don't care how old their culture is they do not have the right to murder young girls just for learning how to read, Stone a woman because she wont have * with her husband, or hang a woman because she was raped.

Are you talking ancient history with those invasions? As for Sharia law..........I agree! Ok let's invade the US's greatest ally Saudi Arabia because they do all that you say, all with the aquiescence of the US.


>>Yes, In Colonial India Women were burned alive with their husband bodies if they became widowers and this was common practice because a woman was considered the mans property. When Colinial officials banned the practice they was an outcry that we had no right to interfere with there culture and it was none of our business, but Basic Human rights take precedence of any culture or set of laws. If your culture allows you to kill someone because they have different beliefs, or Discrimnate and put down other classes, sexes, or races, then I am sorry but your culture should be destroyed.<<

Again Saudi Arabia.......................the US's bestest ally. Also they will not allow Jews to enter their country. Let's invade them!

My country right or wrong is an unhealthy trait that hinders the mindset of so many otherwise good Americans.

 

I have already adressed this point earlier in detail. I will go over some of the basic points

Are you of the opinion that Muslims are inherently evil in themselves?

Should that answer be no then we need to look at the triggers for the subsequent acts of evil by some Muslim terrorists. Are they responding to some act of aggression perhaps? Have they been wronged in some way? Funny enough it is the great friends of the west, those undemocratic gulf state monarchies (including the Saudis) that have financed these groups. And of course prior to 9/11 these Islamic extremists were 'our Islamic extremists'. Was it ok when they were doing our bidding?

Parroting silly myths over and over don't really add to the debate. Until we look at all aspects of how this shocking state of affairs has came about none of us can be blase about judgeing the actions of others. I am surprised that someone who comes across so diplomatically and eager to see all sides on other issues is so single minded on this issue.

 

Where I have ever said Muslims - I have always stated Islamic terrorists, I've never stated all Muslims are terrorists.

I state again, the Islamic terrorists are pure evil.

I have no love for Saudi Arabia, a country in which it's police force push school girls into a burning building because they tried to flee for their lifes withou their face covered, a country that I could never enter as I always wear a crucifix and those, just like the bible or Torah are not allowed in the country. Just because I agree with the fight against Islamic terrorists doesn't mean I support all of the US "allies" and I use that term loosely as the Saudis finance the terrorists and the get their training in Pakistan, two facts ignored by the US and UK governments.

No it was not OK when they were "on our side" they should have been stopped then, but that doesn't mean we can't try to stop them now.

What silly myths have I stated? You may not think that Islamic terrorists want to bring on the Caliphate but I think I'll take their word for what they want:

The first quote was taken from an Israeli news site - Ynet

The second quote was taken from a blog that I can't remember the name off

The third quote was taken from an interview on the khilifaha website which describes itself as having a reputation of being "the foremost Islamic political and ideological website in the English language"

So you see when Islamic terrorists have stated they want the return of the Caliphate and they have shown through their acts they are willing to do anything to reach that aim, I tend to listen.

 

the yanks and the brits have double standers first the yanks arm saddam then when he is surplus to requirements they go after him the brits let these so called muslim extremist study at there university s they know they have blood on there hands

 

First part no one is denying that terrorist are evil. It does not however justify invasion and slaughter of innocents. 90% of all war casualties since WW2 have been innocent civilians, 30% of whom were children. That is in no way shape or form fighting terrorism.

As for the Sharia law in the UK. They requested that they could be allowed to implement it after they were dealt with by UK law, and on the agreement of the individual that (s)he could be tried by it. It was not an attempt to bypass the laws of the land. For the record btw, from the little I know of it, I dont think Sharia law is the answer.

 

>>Where I have ever said Muslims - I have always stated Islamic terrorists, I've never stated all Muslims are terrorists.

I state again, the Islamic terrorists are pure evil. <<

I never said you had, I asked the question so as to clear the decks so we could then examine how some Muslims became involved in acts of terrorism, some of which is undoubtedly evil. Danni, I have 4 children, 3 below the age of 10................I understand full well that some of these * would slit their throats and defile them in the name of Allah.

Why have the came to be like that?, how can we stop them?

Legitimate questions, however you only seem interested in the latter and not the former. Without knowing the former we cannot do the latter. And if discovering the former it helps us to deal with some of our own evil terrorists who work for our governments either covertly or in uniform then I say so be it.

>>I have no love for Saudi Arabia, a country in which it's police force push school girls into a burning building because they tried to flee for their lifes withou their face covered, a country that I could never enter as I always wear a crucifix and those, just like the bible or Torah are not allowed in the country. Just because I agree with the fight against Islamic terrorists doesn't mean I support all of the US "allies" and I use that term loosely as the Saudis finance the terrorists and the get their training in Pakistan, two facts ignored by the US and UK governments.<<

Aha! Now that the hypocritical stance of those feeding us the * about the so called 'war on terror' is laid bare, does it not stand to reason that most of what they tell us is a great big pile of Kak, all designed to manipulate our fears? The great Muslim terrorist gold rush is on.............some like Haliburton et al and those close to the former US administration are now rolling in money, all we get are the fear that pervades our lives(some real most invented) Oh and the body bags of the poor whose family get their 15 minutes of fame at Wooten Basset for their trouble. Private contracters can and have killed at will because they currently cannot be tried under Iraqi law, I'm not sure if the same goes in Afghanistan but I bet it does. I discussd this state of affairs with a very senior law lecturer at one of our universities, he was shocked at this information. I was shocked a man in his position was not aware of this.

>>What silly myths have I stated? You may not think that Islamic terrorists want to bring on the Caliphate but I think I'll take their word for what they want:<<

No offence but most guys would like a bigger boaby, doesn't mean it's going to happen :icon_mrgreen::icon_mrgreen: Seriously if the Muslim countries could agree on much then Israel (despite US involvement) would not exist. Muslims by and large are just like us, they want to live a happy life, enjoy their family and have a few quid to spend. That is it! I think we should take back Cumbria, there are a few nutters who agree with me but we would settle for Berwick. These self same Islamic nutters would go away if we stop invading their lands and killing their people....................mibbe when the oil runs oot eh?

All best.

 

Restrepo does not represent how US forces on a whole acted towards the Afghan civilians, For the Vast Majority of situations dealings with them are cordial and respectful.


As for beating the taliban yes we could beat them if military policy wasn't run by people who do not know how to make militray policy. The mistake the British, Soviets, and Mongols made was that they tried make Afghanstan into a colony, they did not try and set up an Afghan government to do the fighting themselves. The soviets set up a puppet government but it didnt go outside kabul. When we operate out of FOBs we make the Afghan army take the lead and they know that they are responisble for taking charge of the mission, for a large part they are doing a good job of fighting the taliban.

As for Saudi Arabia I agree the fact that the west is allied with them is disgusting

 

Or the UK or most of Europe. We had problems with racism but unlike Europe we fixed those problems

 

Having a black gf from USA I can safely say there is a lot of racism left in america.

if you are white everything is cool, but if you are black, it's a completely different world.

 

I still think Scotland is the only country on Earth where people, on viewing suicide bombers on fire at their biggest airport, would go and punch the * in the face!

 

You tell yourself that mate,the US government should get their own house in order before they start trying to force the rest of the world what to do.

 

I am engaged to someone who is half arab half native american, I went to a school that was predominantly mexican and grew up in a nieghborhood that was mostly black. I know that there are still racists left in America but the fact of the matter is that they are shunned and we recognize that we dont want them here, in Europe racism is commonplace, when I visited Germany and Austria with a Korean friend every time we went out we heard at least one racist comment towards asians. Racism is a huge problem in Europe but you would prefer to call us bigots rather than address what is going on in your own backyard

 

Come to America and then tell us me have a problems with Racism, I dare you to travel across France, Germany, Spain, The Balkans, and Russia with a friend who is not White and then tell me that the Unites States is racist.