The Boxing Thread

Is Wilder's technique or lack thereof actually one of his assets.

I mean if he was a sound technical thrower I'd imagine he'd lose that right as boxers and trainers can work out when it is coming.

His * form makes it a little more unpredictable to me.

 

It’s not Joshua’s fault that the hype is there, I honestly can’t understand the hate for the guy as he’s nothing but a gentleman.

He’s got the best resume in heavyweight boxing right now in just over 20 fights. He’s beat Whyte, Klitschko, Parker, Povetkin, Takam despite having next to no * career which most seasoned pros rely on.

The only reason he lost to Ruiz is that he sat him down in the 3rd and got too eager to make an impression on his US debut. Ruiz knew he was on the way out hence started flinging everything at it. Caught him with a cracker on the temple and he never recovered. He’ll smash Ruiz all over the ring on Saturday.

Wilder can punch but he’s had 2 notable wins in over 40 fights. The 2 wins coming against Luis Ortiz (who is at least 50 years old and whom he lost every round to other than the stoppages). * was boxing in Cuba during the missile crisis.

It speaks volumes that Wilder’s best career result was the biggest robbery in the history of boxing against Tyson Fury who had to drop 10 stone in 12 months and who won every single round other than the knockdowns.

Wilder is an absolute fraud who puts the ref in danger when he throws a punch, and Whyte’s short left hook would put him to sleep. Whyte is a nightmare for him as he’s one of the only guys who could take that right hand. Good matchmaking by Al Haymon and the PBC can only get you so far. A promoter and management company being in the pockets of the WBC certainly helps.

Deontay Wilder has faught 43 times and never unified world titles. That’s a joke of a record. Andre Ward is considered one of the greatest of all time and he chucked it after 32 fights.

To put that in to perspective, Artur Beterbiev just beat Gvodzyk to unify world titles in 15 fights. Josh Taylor has just done it in 16 fights by beating Prograis. Anthony Joshua in 19 fights, Tyson Fury in 25. Wilder has an embarrassing resume and will get exposed very soon.

 

Joshua is looking far leaner and less muscled. This can only be a good thing.

On a separate note - anyone else think it's about time they did away with the 'Heavyweight' category as it stands and introduced more weight classes for the big guys? When you consider the small margins between all the other weight categories (usually a couple of pounds), then the heavyweight minimum of 200lbs (14st 4lbs) is just nuts. That weight might have been considered 'heavy' last century, but it's a joke nowadays that a 14 and a half stone guy could be getting pitched in against one of the 18-20 stone monsters that populate the division now.

 

Agree with pretty much all of this, apart from Whyte and Wilder. Think Whyte has a genuine chance with his hook. I think Wilder has slight stamina issue and Whyte could maul him.

Hope AJ gets leathered but Ruiz coming in at 20 stone is a bit daunting. How can someone 6ft2 possibly be 20 stone and be fit ? Hope he stalks and catches up with AJ who will be wanting to keep distance the whole fight.

 

Only thing is though I want Fury to box Joshua as I think he'd outclass him and if Ruiz beats him again then he might retire.

Does Whyte not have good power himself though? has Wilder ever fought a guy who could knock him out. The only two good boxers I think he's fought are Ortiz and Fury who are more pure boxers and not really trying to knock people out. Would be interesting to see how he would do against someone who might knock him out and will probably be aiming to knock him out.

Ruiz has put on 15lbs for this fight, seems a bit much. Makes you wonder if he's taking it that serious, think Joshua might actually do him now.

 

Whyte has the power to KO Wilder, definitely. Whyte's left hook could put any of the top guys down.
I still think AJ was somewhat lucky to beat Whyte. Whyte was fat, unfit and had a * shoulder, which AJ knew about beforehand.

 

46lbs weight difference and AJ will still be the slower man in there. Massive uphill task for him to win this fight in my opinion.

 

They are going to bring as much as they can over there UFC, Boxing, WWE, talk of them trying to get Spanish league game over there as well. The money they are offering is crazy and that's why people like Eddie Hearn Dana White will rubbing their hands.

Interesting from Ruiz to come in so heavy. There have been rumors Ruiz has been partying hard and his training hasn't been as focused as the 1st fight. If I was Ruiz I would've come in the same weight and have the same game plan. To come in heavier maybe he's thinking with the extra weight comes more power but have to wonder if that really the right game plan.

 

I’m surprised Joshua has come in as light as he has and even more surprised that Ruiz has come in so much heavier.

You never really know what to believe though - Ruiz partying too hard or Ruiz purposely weighing in as heavy as possible. I’m not that bothered really. Should be a fun fight and the weight differences only add to the intrigue.

 

There's no chance Andy partying is the cause of his weight gain. It's tactical. Listen to any of his interviews and you can see how focused and confident he is.

 

There’s obviously a chance if it. Nobody really knows outside of a few people close to Ruiz I would imagine. Coming in 20lbs over his weight for the first bout was quite a surprise. It could be tactical, but it could be a guy who’s enjoyed his first taste of major success a bit too much.

 

Good post

I don't agree saying Wilder is a fraud though. Fully in agreement that his boxing technique is dire for a heavyweight champion boxer, but knocking your opponent out is the aim of the game and there's no doubt that he carries the biggest knockout power in the division.

He could lose every round for the rest of his career, but while he's sparking * out he deserves to be there. That right hand wins him any fight available, should it land.

 

Put everyman he's ever fought on his *, while he's doing that he deserves to be at the top table. For me if he was fighting Ruiz tonight the belts would be unified.

The rematch will go along way to determine how he's looked at as a heavyweight champ. Fury will out point him, but for me there's a great chance that he gets caught. Hard to not get caught in a 12 round fight.

 

Plenty streams up on here later on.

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