The board are taking us for fools

Celtic tend to pay £5 for a player and sell him for £1 we lose money on players year after year,yes once in a while a macgeady comes along but apart from him i would guess celtic lost money dealing for players over the last 5 years.

 

i didnt mean two defenders i was talking about.
Wanyama,comons and bangura.

 

Celtic need to win the league and sink those * from across the clyde. the board is rich enough to spend a decent amount of money so why not!

 

wanyama was £700k and bangura meant to be 2.2 million .

have we paid these transfers in full or are they in installments ?

even if its in full thats 2.9 million. maloney left for 1 million so thats 1.9 net

 

correct . weve never hada better chance in the last 3 years .

ive a feeling the board have been holding off because they have know rangers will go under and that we will win the league because of the points deduction .

performances like yesterday would suggest not

 

The money has gone to paying down debt to near zero and keeping the team ticking over while the board have had no pressure at all to dip into their own pockets.

This fixation with "zero" debt is the ultimate excuse for a lack of investing. There is simply no reason why a business the size of celtic cannot run with a small deficit and debt. Debt is not a bad thing if managed properly, while football fans seem to have this polarised notion where either you have no debt or you are in big trouble. The reason we have no debt is so the board can celebrate it as an achievement to appease the fans.

Cutting the debt was necessary, and it was a good thing. But they have done so while our team has deteriorated and we have lost 3 in a row (currently looking like 4). We did not need to reduce to near zero and now we have it has become one of the biggest arguments against spending!

Simply put, if we lose the league this year I believe unless the board invests serious money (with or without Lennon) many fans will just give up going.

 

Knowing ran*ers they will somehow stay afloat and then some how beat us in the league. For the past 3 seasons i was always so confident of winning the league and it never happened. This season i was most confident overall but now i am not. Im just so * we let them win.

What do you think would happen to us if they went under? Would we continuely play in the SPL? Or go to the EPL?

 

I'm not investing in a board I'm investing in a team. The board's job, indeed their renumeration is based upon, sound financial results.

Lawell will not sanction a big money signing because it puts his bonuses at risk. Who can blame the guy?

Sign another £3.5m Fortune (for example) and lose £200k (for example) of your own bonus? Or do Celtic, the fans and yourself a favour and just bank the £3.5m?

Anyone, not matter how big a tim, who says they would risk another Fortune is kidding themselves on!

I've had my ST for 3 years now. I've paid about £1500 on that alone. Then the half time pie and bovril its another £4. Add to that the travelling costs and the average home game will cost me about £40 in total.

The board will have me sussed out. They will have about 45,000 others just like me that will keep coming back no matter what. That * me off that my loyalty is nothing more than a pound sign to them.

In the end I'm after a little bit of glory. Just some pride in my team. Winning the league and Scottish Cup is a priority but at least I'm * honest with myself and others.

 

you know what i having been reading this thread all the way through and been very confused. Been sitting thinking, am proud my club has a small debt, maybe the one of the smallest across europe - but on the flipside, as fans are we owed more spending for success.

Then it kind of hit me, ffs a £500k debt? Their are people living in big cities across britain with a mortgage of £500k. If our football club has debt the same size of some people mortgages and are not delivering the good then yes, questions need to be asked.

If the huns get their 4 in a row we have to draw the line and the board need to start putting their hands in their pockets. I still feel confident this season will be our season, but i thought that last season too.

 

epl wont be an option .

we SHOULD have it easy for a couple of years while they rebuild but the way things are going we will make an * of that aswell

ive never seen a more important time since wee fergus stepped in that we need to invest on and off he park . its absolutely critical .if we did this 3 years ago rangers would have went under . if we do it now i reckon we could ride the wave of it for 4 or 5 seasons until they recover . that is how important i see this being

 

Last I looked, we were second in the league with 31 matches still to go. Hardly a flippin disaster!

I hurt as much as the next man about the defeat to the dark-side, but as far as I'm concerned it was due to a complete and utter * by the manager... not the board! It was just a bizarre team selection and poor game management. We already have the playing staff to beat ALL of our SPL competition. European competition is just a pipe-dream... we could sink ourselves neck-deep in debt and still not reach another knock-out stage!

 

We all want success. We want the SPL title. We want success, or at least, not to be embarrassed in Europe. We want attractive football and we want quality players. If we don't have success on the field then the answer is ' The Board must cough up!'. Why is it always the fault of The Board?

We had all of the above under MON and in financial terms it cost us dearly with debts of almost £25m. We then had WGS, who was told that the debt must come down, the wage bill must come down, the size of the Squad must be reduced BUT we must have success....and WGS delivered on every front but still the 'Fans?' were not satisfied....didn't like the way the Team played! So he left and we now have Lenny, who was offered and declined a Mentor, and his 3 Amigos. The Board HAVE coughed up but too many have this belief that because we are CELTIC, Managers and Players will come flocking to our door. I disagree. Those days are gone or as Paul Lambert put it 'where is the challenge in playing the same Team at least x4 every Season?

In the days of MON and WGS, the winner or runner up of the SPL had a great chance of getting into the Champions League, but the format changed and now there is less chance of us reaching that status and with it less chance of us securing the services of a Hartson, Sutton, Lennon, Larsson. We sign guys on a 'free' or a Bosman or for less than £3m because that is what our budget can afford and yet on this Forum Fans say if we spend more than we are at present, then we will win the SPL and get into the Champions League. Rubbish! There is no guarantee, if there was would Spurs, or Arsenal or Everton or Villa not have spent Big in the last Transfer Market? Since WGS left, we have spent more on players than the Gers and yet have failed to deliver.

No the answer lies within Celtic Park. We have a Man at the helm who has given more and done more that anyone in recent times. He deserves to be acknowledged in the History of our great Club. However he and his 3 Amigos, have not delivered. Unless someone is going to tell me otherwise, no one forced him to take Murphy, Wilson, Maj, Juarez, Cha, Commons, Lundberg. The 4 Amigos, select the players to come into the Club, the formation, the tactics and they, not The Board, have been found wanting. They have gone down the route of signing a group that resembles a Foreign Legion, whereas across the City, the Gers have a Team filled with a guid few Scots. Is that where we have gone wrong? Maybe.

However in suggesting that the 4 Amigos have not ( and I don't believe will ever) come up to the mark, this raises a bigger problem. What Quality Manager would come to Celtic to take charge of a Team in the very average SPL, that may, now that the Scottish Champions have to play the likes of the 4th best in England, Italy, Germany or Spain, at best get into the Europa League and 'guarantee' high levels of success each and every year? So why on earth would a Moyes or Lambert or whoever, want to Manage in the SPL when they are highly regarded in the Premier League?

 

correct . but too many prepared to accept it . we should hurt the board . give them a warning . boycott the food at halftime for one week . and if that doesnt work boycott the shops in december . thatll show them we are not just a £ note

 

This for me is one of our biggest problems we are so focused on killing off rangers we are taking our eyes of our own game.

 

Well said!

 

Were the laughing stock. Mr Lawwell is not cracking jokes today i bet eh.

No doubt he will be looking through his big accounts book and balance sheet and spanking his monkey well done.

Well Mr Lawwell - When was the last time a Balance Sheet held a trophy aloft ??
You went with the cheap yes man option in Lennon and look were it`s got us. A guy buying journeymen who when the chips are down are a bunch of shitebags infact the team are full of shitebags. We were lucky we never lost 7-2 yesterday. but like i say at least the cheap option has kept the books in order NEVER mind about the team huh.

 

Put simply our net spending has been £0m over the last few seasons. Nothing.

We moan about our defence year in year out and what have we done to solve the problem? Our 2011 signings to strengthen the defence has been a loan player in goals, a loaned full back, and free transfers from Cardiff and Nottingham Forrest. Last year we signed Mulgrew (free), Cha (free), Maj (free), and Izzy (600k). Of course of defence is poor! That is what you get when you spend £600k on 8 players supposed to strengthen your weakest position (note, the one we did spend on is the only one of value).

Reducing the debt was necessary of course but we have done so by giving rangers 3 in a row and filling our team with freebies. That isnt really rocket science. Surely there has to come a point when fans start demanding proper investment in a team?

 

We sold mcgeady for 9 million and that money payed off our dept but there will not always be a mcgeady to sell.
Smith won rangers 3 iar we didnt give it to them in any shape or form it dont matter what you spend when the other team has a better manager.

 

Do the 2-0, 3-0, 1-0 wins over the huns last season count for nothing? Do you not think Neil Lennon's signings in Kayal, Izzaguierre and Hooper have all been fantastic finds (at times, anyway)?

I honestly don't believe Celtic fans are "faithful through and through" anymore. The second we lose, it's potrayed as unprecedented disaster. Like I said before, people must come on here, look at the "We stand behind our leader" site banner, read some of the posts, and just laugh.

 

I know Coyles brother and he told me that Owen was prepared to come to Celtic but that he wanted the money to sign Kevin Doyle at around 6 million and the board nearly shat their pants.Needless to say he baled out.