The 2016 Scottish Elections Thread

The FAC campaign to get rid of John Mason was a raging success then.

 

How do you see the Tories being the opposition furthering the cause of Independence? I'm not seeing that one.

 

John Mason is a bit of a * in all fairness

 

Yeah it is, if we cant get independence soon we could be stuck with a Tory government in Westminster for the foreseeable future.

 

Absolutely.

 

Put very simply mate - the chip on the shoulder that I have spoke about before , that will see us over the winning line :smiley-laughing002:


And Angus North and Mearns have returned .... drum roll ..... SNP thankfully Mairi got there although it was down and the tories came second
Still not sure how I missed it on TV -

Angus North and Mearns


Scottish National Party
Candidates Mairi Evans Votes 13,417 45.7% Net percentage change in seats −9.1 Party CON
Scottish Conservatives
Candidates Alex Johnstone Votes 10,945 37.3% Net percentage change in seats +11.7 Party LAB
Scottish Labour
Candidates John Ruddy Votes 2,752 9.4% Net percentage change in seats −3.3 Party LD
Scottish Lib Dems
Candidates Euan Davidson Votes 2,265 7.7% Net percentage change in seats +0.8

Oh happy days oh happy days

 

Looks like Labour get 4 on list, Tories 2 and Greens 1 (Glasgow)

 

Just worked one of the counts and just in the door; quick sleep and off to work again

 

See The Huns have dumped Labour and jumped in to bed with The Tories then.

 

TT, similar pattern in Angus South for me. Graeme Dey holding but down and a significant jump from the Tory woman. The fact she's blonde and half decent maybe swayed it :smiley-laughing002:

Party
Scottish National Party
CandidatesGraeme Dey Votes 15,622 48.9% Net percentage change in seats −9.5
Party
Scottish Conservatives
CandidatesKirstene Hair Votes 11,318 35.4% Net percentage change in seats +15.3
Party
Scottish Labour
CandidatesJoanne McFadden Votes 3,773 11.8% Net percentage change in seats −1.6
Party
Scottish Lib Dems
CandidatesClive Sneddon Votes1,216 3.8%

 

I'm really surprised by the turnouts and the amount of Tory votes.
* Scotland?

 

Just as I predicted, tens of thousands of SNP list votes counting for nothing and allowing Tories to sneak in the back door.

 

Glad my constituency and indeed all of Glasgow went SNP

 

I think the voting system has been shown up tonight. It punishes success and rewards failure.

Just as I'm typing this, the WoS region has elected 3 Tories, 3 Labs and a Green... The SNP had more votes than all of them combined!

 

No I didn't. I conceded that they might end up as the main opposition party after this election.

Where I did disagree with you is that I don't believe they are going to become a serious force in Scottish politics, and by serious force I mean a party that is ever capable of winning a Scottish election or going close to winning a Scottish election. I 100% stand by that.

 

Precisely why I was telling people not to give both their votes to the SNP.

 

I get what you're saying but I think it's a problem with the voting system rather than people's voting intentions. A proportional system should aim for fairness, how is it fair that a party with by far and away the most votes gains no seats?

What was the alternative to voting SNP on the regional ballot? The Greens? or some ridiculous commie party? :smiley-laughing002:

 

If people understood how the electoral system works then they could have voted differently with the same intentions and we'd have less Tories in Holyrood than we're now going to have. The unfortunate thing is that it's quite a complex voting system and a lot of people don't fully get how it works. The only reason I have a decent grasp of it is that I did Modern Studies at school and part of that subject was looking at different electoral systems.

I can't be arsed doing an explanation of it at 8am when I've been up all night watching the results come in :smiley-laughing002: but the basic principle is, if the SNP won the vast majority of the constituency seats(which they did and were always going to do) then the list votes are there to balance things out. So most of the votes the SNP get on the list end up counting for nothing and the list seats are dished out to the other parties to reflect the overall vote percentages.

I know you don't rate the Green Party but if Independence was your #1 priority then voting SNP and Green would have been a very shrewd way to go. Better that than giving two votes to the SNP and having one of your votes rendered meaningless.

 

What were Labour thinking putting a Muslim tranny up against Sturgeon