Suicide

For some yes, but for others they just go around that day doing the same thing they always do then top themselves.
Many many never showed one hint of being suicidal.
And i dont think thats with them being embrassed by telling someone.

 

I can understand why people consider it. Some people feel alone and can't communicate their feelings to others. Nothing worse than the feeling of being trapped in your own mind. We all go through low moods. Some people go into deep depressions and struggle to get out of it.

Look at our manager. I would say it was a safe bet he has considered suicide at some point in his life. He has had to put up with a lot of * and has suffered from depression himself. I'm not suggesting for a minute he tried to kill himself but the thought must have passed his mind when he was low.

 

I have thought about it before. Had a few personal & family issues which all got a bit much. Thankfully didn't go through with it. I now have a son which has made life much better

 

Why else would they not have told anybody then?

 

Because they have accepted in their own head that this is the right thing to do basically.

 

I don't think anyone can answer that question unless they have been one of these people, you don't know what people's reasons are for not expressing their anguish. Although that could be the case I will not say it's wrong nor right, but a good lot of people will not say about these things due to the whole looking weak, sometimes treated like a freak and so on and branding suicide a cowardly act is certainly not helping matters.

 

Yes, although an awful lot of people look at it that way.
I have heard many times people saying 'look at what he has done to his family, that the cowards way out'.
Sometimes i think you know what thats right, sometimes the other way, depends on the circumstances.
I wouldnt know what to say to someone if they said to me i am suicidal.

 

Again, you are being very general here with your response.

Not all people who are CONTEMPLATING suicide respond to the "nicey nicey" approach - many respond to be told that the act they are about to commit is cowardly/selfish (or whatever relevant word you wish to insert) when they will be leaving behind their loved ones etc.

In many cases an initial period of tough love is required to help get through to the person that what they are thinking about doing isn't going to help the matter - then the loving approach can be used.

 

That's the most disgusting thing people commenting on someone who committed suicide as being selfish and cowardly. They should really know the persons circumstances and motives before spouting such *! I know neither would I but I'd probably try and show them there is still something to live for and things can always get better and maybe refer them to a professional too and try to keep a look out for them too sometimes there's only so much you can do

 

As should you.

 

Yes showing these people the despair they can leave behind them is also required but there doesn't need to be the use of phrases such as "that's a cowards way out", "your a selfish person" that's going to really help someone that has hit rock bottom it could force them to hold everything in and not tell you anything.

 

I have heard family members of the person say the same things as well tho, infact sometimes when they are on the radio about this subject, a mother has said the same about their son/daughter.

Thats the problem, there is people who have tried it more than once, more than likely they are going to do it again, and there is nothing no-one can do really to change their mind.

 

No it won't.

You ever heard of the phrase "attempting to shake someone out of it"?

I reiterate - not all people respond to the "nice" approach initially.

 

I would never say an ill word against a person that killed themselves (this is not including the people escaping justice). I would feel sympathy on their family and also the person and not be passing judgement on them for what they have done, why should anyone be passing judgement on these people?

 

Would you call - for example - the widow of a man who has killed himself, and been left with 3 kids, a house, a mortgage etc disgusting if she said her husband was a coward, or had done a selfish act?

Suicide IS a selfish act - especially if their is a family reliant on the person.

 

This is from hurt but I've heard people with no real connection to these people saying such things and I just shake my head at that. Yes some people are just going to eventually do it in the end if there is nothing to change their mind of course

 

As stated previously I meant people with no real affiliation with the person or knowledge of the situation, not actual people as this is part of the grieving process getting angry at them for doing it

 

Having sympathy for the person doesn't change the fact that it's the most selfish act a person can do.

Regardless of circumstances.

 

But people have the right to that opinion (related or not) as suicide IS a selfish act.

 

So are you saying suicide is out of selfishness and not helplessness? Do you think these people really see any other option?