Should rebel songs be sung at games?

if thats the case well then why dont we just play at an empty stadium ? We have one of the best reputations for our great atmospheres "Football is nothing without the fans"

 

sorry but i took offense to that as i saw it as more of an offensive statement to make

 

We've not had a great atmosphere in years, even the last few Champions League games the atmosphere was disappointing.

I agree that football is nothing without the fans as a great man once said, here's another quote:

"Surely there are enough Celtic songs without introducing religion or politics or anything else" Jock Stein 1972

 

actually I think we get away with it to some degree simply because other than Celtic and Rangers fans with their obsession about the Irish troubles and of course the travelling Irish fans, most Scottish people do not have a clue what the songs are about, who the people being referred to in the songs are, what the historical events are and probably do not know what the songs are called. I would guess about 80% of the population wouldnt know who Sean South was even vaguely and if they do its only through football media. I think the average understanding of Irish history among Scottish fans is probably as sketchy as the average understanding of Scottish history among Irish fans (likely not much more than Braveheart!). That said, there are Rangers fans and some other loyalist elemets among a few other central Scottish clubs who would be only too happy to record and report singing of songs that cause division and could be construed as inflamatory.

 

politics in whatever fashion has no place at football matches imo. we have so many songs without reverting to songs that arent even about footballers. nothing wrong with backing a cause in what you believe in. but in this day and age we are viewed as being knuckledragging terrorists for singing these songs. i think they'll never go away though.

 

Read what I posted again. I never said that the fans who used the club for political purposed weren't proper fans. I simply said that Reid, as far I can tell, stands to make absolutely no political gain from running Celtic, and that plenty of Celtic fans do use the club to further their ideas.

Again, read what I wrote before making kneejerk reactions. Maybe if you weren't so busy telling me to 'get out', you could actually read my post and respond it what I actually posted

Oh, wow.

You just compared John Reid, former MP, to Adolf Hitler, genocidal maniac.
I think you need to step back a little here, cause that's way off.

Anyway, completely skewed analogies aside, I never said anything about people who protest about John Reid's appointment. If Celtic fans disapprove of Reid's tenure then that is our right to voice our displeasure. However, as I see it, that is not what we all have been meaning when discussing 'politics'.

Republicanism and the tenure of John Reid are two very different things indeed.

Discussing and protesting matters that directly effect the club itself is absolutely fine. However, I fail to see the link between the Club, as an entity, and Irish Republicanism.

 

This thread is a perfect example of the fact that, while love of Glasgow Celtic unites us, fans have very differing political views. So politics divides us and should be left at home. It is as simple as that. Its perfectly possible to reflect Irish heritage without delving into politics BTW.

This Irishness=republicanism things is a really daft aspect of the way Celtic fans express Irish heritage has developed over the last few decades. I am sure the Irish themselves do not want war, death and conflict as the main thing people think of when they think of Ireland. Those negative things are so far removed from the positive charachter of actual normal Irish people. I often am struck at the contrast between real Irish people on the one hand and the way some Scots express Irish heritage with obsession with wars/conflict and general shoulder chippyness on the other. These people are somehow missing the best dimension of the Irish by being like that.

 

For many of us though it is very important, and i wish that more would care about the atmsophere. If you go and sit in silence for 90mins(or probs less) you are just a customer at the end of the day. What would you rather be the customer or the supporter? I know i enjoy the game 20x more if im getting behind the team for 90 minutes - win, lose or draw, and it would be amazing if more did the same.

(im not meaning you in particular btw, i meant to anyone who reads this)

 

Now I resent Adolf being described as a genocidal maniac. He had his good points. He was a * of a dancer and was very kind to his dogs.

 

How is singing rebel songs getting behind the team though?

It's making a noise alright, but that's not the same as supporting the team, singing Sean South, or BOTOB etc does not show any support for Celtic Football Club - it shows support for the republican movement, not Celtic.

 

if people want to sing, then sing, but what annoys me is there is a section of the Celtic support who feel superior to thier counter parts who dont sing these songs or dont know the words, you know, the fans who know more rebel songs than you so that makes them better Celtic fans

As a Scot with Irish blood Im proud of my roots but personally i dont need to sing songs about the troubles cheers, its in the past an am no that insecure

 

Simple answer NO what in * does it have to do with football I am a catholic and have irish relatives but have never sang one in my life and never will

 

I take it we shouldn't sing LTPS, YNWA or the Fields either then ? Seeing as they have nothing to do with football.

 

They have been adopted as football songs and any song thats not about bigotry or religion is fine , rangers sing simply the best and they arent but lets not mess about we all know whats appropriate and what isnt i mean we all have our opinions on these things but it doesnt have a place with football

 

Who needs enemies when you have friends like these? lol

Seriously lads, get a grip. Don't go around singing "and if you know your history" or "let the people sing" or talk about having respect for the club's history if you're going to lambaste a significant portion of our support. The club IS our supporters. If you actually had your way and alienated this base, Celtic would fold quicker than a cheap lawn chair.

I don't hear anyone calling for political litmus tests for players or fans, I hear people singing their stories and their songs. If you don't want to, sing something else. We'll see who sings loudest Up the Celts.

 

So do you think Jock Stein was wrong to go to the crowd after a game and have a go at them for the songs they were singing, stating that they are plenty of Celtic songs without the need to bring in religion or politics?

Would you have told him to get a grip as well?

 

Jock Stein also requested that certain rebel songs were played over the tannoy before important games to get the support up for it and singing.

 

no. there is a time and place for that! and at cp is not the time nor the place tbh.

 

Holy *!

Just popped back onto this forum after a long time since taking a look before.

Outstanding quality of posts, particularly this one from BhoysInGreen.

I'm gonna enjoy this place!

 

No they shoudnt IMO