Russell Brand

Thank You....its exactly my point from last night

 

Wait, so Bono is a scumbag for highlighting a case of wrongful accusation, and he's a scumbag?

You do realise that these allegations are exactly that - allegations. So guess what, Brand ain't guilty until he's found guilty.

Unless you believe folk should be tried by social media and TV?

 

Definitely get your point mate.

 

I think you’ve taken the post the wrong way mate. Nobody suggested you supported Saville.

 

It's pretty much explained in the post you quoted.

Women are too scared to come forward because they don't think they will believed especially when it's men with power.

When they come forward people do exactly what you have. You leapt to the defence of the accused and then you started talking about an irrelevant and extremely rare case to undermine them.

You then resort to abuse when you are challenged.

An aggressive angry man jumping to the defence of another man and trying to portray women as dishonest and men are unfairly treated.

 

I do usually agree that it shouldn't be played out in the media before trial.....but this looks fairly blatant to me..

The 16 year old schoolgirl (at the time) is damning as * alone. The texts back to the lassie who's accused him of rape. I mean i don't know about anyone else but I've never had to have a convo like that in texts after going with a bird..

Beast and I reckon the rest of it in that article probably doesn't touch the sides to what he's been up to down the years..

Nailed on wrongun..

 

Completely agree.

What makes it hard is that their are a minority of people who haven't been raped and falsely accuse others. This undermines those who have been raped but it's a 'he said, she said' scenario.

My point was in this case, the women involved didn't go to the police but went to his agent, his employers and to Dispatches. What was their issue with going to the police? They still haven't as of this moment in time either.

 

Brand is a Grade A *, no doubt......But i will not be one of these online keyboard warriors that as soon as someone in the media has a go at anyone that i suddenly believe it to be true.

If he is found guilty.....then * him...and i hope he rots


And the reason i brought up other cases like the guy that just got released this week or the female in Greece lying her * off about getting raped shows that it aint just black and white.....People do lie as seen many times just to demonise the individual.

And i was reacting to you post that got me "so called aggressive" bringing into he debate of a scumbag in Saville.

 

Is this in a documentary or something? When i posted this last night i just heard the main headline news that gave nothing about what went on and what happened.

But yeah if he been caught doing all that with underage kids etc...then he deserves to * go to the slammer.

 

I've no watched the doc but I've read most of this below..

 

This seems to be following a similar pattern to a high profile case Higgins versus Lehrman, two federal public servants in Australia.

The victim (Higgins) went to the media before making a statement to the police, the media lapped it up in the wake of the Me Too frenzy, the victim received a reported multi-million dollar payout from the government, a trial was had, the trail was aborted, a second trial was abandoned by the DPP, the DPP then made accusations against the police and the accused to the media, as a result an inquiry on the DPP and police was held, the prosecutor was found to have lied and was removed from his position, the accused is now suing the media, and the government.

 

It wasn't someone in the media having a go. It was the women involved speaking out.

It's wrong that your initial response when you haven't even read the allegations or watched the documentary was to leap to the defence of Brand and you still continue to use extremely rare individual cases to undermine the women.

One minute you say to don't automatically believe something, say he has to face court first and cast doubt on the accusers when it was women involved. As soon as you think kids are involved you have a totally different reaction.

 

Still don't get why they wouldn't just go and "speak out" to the police first before going to the media?

 

16 year olds are of age.

Completely immoral, but legal. It's * creepy though and points to someone wanting complete control over someone.

There's definitely some truth in these allegations.

 

There can be lots of reasons for not going to the police. The vast majority of rapes are not reported. It's embarrassing, it humiliating and like this case is showing again when you do come forward you face abuse and get called liars. So many people are trying to make out there is something sinister about the way they women have collectively come forward.

False accusations are extremely rare. Listening to men on the internet it sounds like many think it's a widespread problem, but have to dig up extremely rare examples. The conviction rate for rape is tiny. It is a very difficult crime to prove in most cases. Somehow men keep trying to paint the picture that it's too easy to be wrongly accused of rape and end up in the jail.

It is wrong that the automatic response by so many people is to instantly undermine and gaslight the victims.

 

I wasn't jumping to the total defence of Brand....I was attacking more the mainstream media in how its very quick to demonise someone at will if they wanted to.

And again at thew time of my statement last night it just popped up on my BBC news Feed...so no i wasn't aware of anything said or stated at that time........and hearing of the news feed this morning as in 20 mins ago then IF that is correct he deserves to be placed in jail for a long long time.

 

I know it's of age but a 30 year old going for a schoolgirl is still a beast to me..

100% there is, there'll likely be a lot more that comes to light about this wrongun..

 

They often want to remain anonymous, the ones in the documentary did. Women with sexual assault often get ignored by the police so women don't bother, if it does go to court and it becomes public who the person is the acused will try and discredit them and in court they will heavily be scrutinised by barristers who will do anything to get their client off.

 

So the solution is to make allegations in the media and convict on that basis?