Poppy Thread.

All of this kind of reminds me of an argument which frequently turns up here in America, about whether or not you have to support the war, in order to support the troops. I think you can support the troops without being behind the war. The GB seems to be protesting the war here, not bashing the troops who served in it. There's a difference.

 

Agree 100% and I'm sure that the Green Brigade could have worded the banner differently to show this point.

 

football stadia is for football matters, houses of parliment is for political matters.

do I support the poppy? meh I don't know myself to be honest, but I have the upmost respect and empathy for those who've fallen and those who've had to be told the news that they will have to live longer then their children which no parent should ever suffer, there is no such thing as a justified war, people are brought up more often then not to believe what they told and for those with strong links to the british army it is to fight for the saftey and their home land and families and do not know any better and there are people like myself who have had grandfathers involved in both world wars and respect their history involved especially my welsh grandfather and his luck to have survied an incident by simply not pulling rank on another solider while having no idea what was to happy later that day to the traveling group.

there are also those again like myself who look at the army as they only place to seek employment and and actually get qualifications and certain extras that come with the role, I never followed my interest up in the end as I found a job elsewere but there are literally people in the forces were by the army are their only option because in a harsh sense no one wants them.

my view when it comes to a sense of beliefs being forced upon people is that it's wrong whether be people shouting their religion on the street whether it be Islam, jehovah, christianity etc... or other matters such as this all it does is cause more problams and makes it were those fans out who wish to were a poppy feel like they will be slaughterd if they want to remember family memembers from past wars or present wars.

 

Please Mods can I request as a fan of CELTIC Football Club we close this thread now, We have strong views on either side of the fence and all it is doing at the moment is ripping apart two distinct sides of OUR SUPPORTERS. I for one do not want to go to CP and find Celtic fans chanting against each other this most definetly is not the Celtic way and hopefully never will be. I am not going to change my views as most people who have expressed views on an emotive subject wont so lets stop all the splits and name callings, dragging up of past and attrocities and get on with what we do well Supporting the Hoops, Mine and Your Celtic a team we all want to drive on to new glories and new honours but we want to do this together and not as a divided support.

Just my two pennies worth ignore if you like.

 

Not ignoring you mate but its an open debate and this thread is getting hammered with posts ,all different views wether you agree with them or not but thats a Forum ,it will run its course.

 

Cheers Kennydal, I appreciate that mate. All I have read for about the last ten pages is the same stuff rehashed and then people having a go at each other. Glad you aknowledged me it is appreciated.

 

no need to be cheeky here! i have copied and pasted that statement also! so go back to page 3 or 4 you will see it ok

 

i support the green brigade it seems these days its being shoved in our faces all the time not just in the lead up to rememberance day and for those who say parkhead is no place for such protest then what has wearing a poppy got to do with football whatsoever i do feel however if people want to wear a poppy through there own free will then that is part of your own freedom of choice but it should never be forced upon someone else just as the banners should not have been judged as the whole supports views as we are such a diverse club

 

The 2 worst things about the banner.........

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1. Just when it looked like pressure was reaching a tipping point at the SFA and things were about to happen, this has given them a perfect opportunity to "bury things" in a so called bigger story

2. Celtic fans and the club has a right to wear a Poppy or not to wear a Poppy, but next week all 12 teams strips will now display one.

I believe that the hot heads who thought the banner was a good idea have only sold our position on the moral high-ground. Fans we need to think about their actions and if you don't have the capacity to think then ask someone who does.

 

No probs

 

Originally Posted by david1979
That's a few links to this site i've seen from a few people.

There's no point in doing it, as we can't read any of it. We can't log in, and no one is allowed to join.

Huh ,it must be your family mate thats stopping you from joining another forum ,nothing to do with us ,Alsy said its posted in this thread ,so have a look.

 

you say all 12 teams strips i do believe if certain players object to wearing it on their strip then they do not have to which is quite right imo

 

I feel celtics stance on all this is disgusting. If they went after the cheats in the sfa with the prompt vigour that they are going to persue indiviuals within the gb i would have much more respect for them. But yet again we the fans are being let down. Celtic plc are so far out of touch with the fans its unbelievable. Just like previous goverments being out of touch with the public. This is john reids style of politics being brought to our beloved club.

Should we the fans now demostrate against the fasist way our club is being run. I think so.

 

Can anybody please point out what is untrue about the above statement, the Brits have murdered people in Ireland, Iraq & Afghanistan

British Army unlawfully killed civilians « Mac Uaid
WikiLeaks war logs: British forces exposed over Afghan attacks | World news | The Guardian
British Troops torture and kill Iraqi civilians

I can see nothing but the truth in the statement & I think the SPL in the past has forced a political statement onto Celtic by forcing them to have the poppy on there jersey.

Why should the Celtic support not be allowed to show there view on the poppy?

 

the green brigade can get tae * the same as all the ira wannabees i'm sick of them bringing shame on our club. I know the rankers support never get scrutinised but thats just the way it is we've got rise above this bullshit, we're not an ira club or a republican club they just latched onto us

 

Yes you made a big fantasy story out of 3 simple pictures than almost any celtic fan could see what the reference was for.

You tried to make me feel stupid and failed, go make a story on someone else.

Furthermore I have no allegiances with the "Irish Republican Army" I'm Scottish and would rather sing about my club and my country rather than that of the Rebel Irish.

If you had read the majority of my posts on this topic you would have seen that I have no allegiances to the ira and that I was strictly against the banner.

 

theres nothing untrue about it mate! but most people are missing the point here. they have the right to protest against something they do not like nor agree with! nothing wrong with that. doing it at the football ground? debateable sure` but they done this to get exposure and they have done it. now lots are offended about it of course fair enough thats their opinion and i respect this. but people are forgetting this is theirs also but their opinion is apparently degrading,disgusting,out of order,hurtful etc etc. what about them? dont you think people who are conmdemning them for haveing the right to free speech and protest are out of order also because they dont agree with thm? both have a great and fantastic point. but once again i want to stress here i do not have a problem with the poppy or ever doing a minutes silence also and the hoops haveing a wee poppy on it also doesnt bother me.

instead of banning people for protesting against something they beleive i? the club and the gb seriously need to sit down and sort this out amicably and fairly to stop this from happening again,

 

Moving this to the pub section ,IRA ,Afghanistan ,Iraq has nothing to do with Celtic Chat.

 

I dunno about the GBs official stance, but many is this thread have made it very clear it's the soldiers they have issues with.

 

Well said alsy this can't happen again they should use a bit of common sense here , we won 9-0 at the weekend and all we here is this poppy carry on surely the team comes first