Poppy Thread.

His point is that he, like myself is clearly celtic minded, where as you would appear to merely be a watcher of our great club

 

Away and educate yerself son. Both situations were Genocides of a people right enough.

Indeed.

This is why I believe you are absolutely clueless on this debate, no offence. We only started wearing, and vehmently defending, the poppy when Reid came in as chairman.

 

........If you said to me back in 1988 when I was standing in the "Jungle" that one day we would even be debating Celtic wearing poppies or attacking fans for making a political point at CP ....i would thought you were mad! How times have changed....what will it be like in an other 25 years? We need to save our club and we need to do it soon. Or are we happy to be just a football club...like thousands of others all over the world. How do you think the Catalans love us? The Basques? The Palestinians, the anti fascists and underdogs all over the planet know that Celtic FC stands for more than football.

 

I would argue Celtic have thought it through. From next year there will be a chosen charity on the strip next season instead of the poppy. The club has been a supporter of this charity for years and have came to a decision to support the charity in this way one final time. It is unfortunate that the meaning behind the poppy over the past few years has changed with it being taken over and used as a propaganda tool instead of in rememberence of the brave men in the great wars. The club also might have asked the players and staff about this issue and came to this decision. The actions by a some of the British army in the past few decades has been awful but there has been many good men trying to make a living being killed or having their lives completely ruined and I think they and their families should be helped by this appeal. However as I stressed earlier our country needs a serious think on the issue of the poppy as it is being used hijacked as a propaganda tool by many right wing elements.

 

This is why I believe you are absolutely clueless on this debate, no offence. We only started wearing, and vehmently defending, the poppy when Reid came in as chairman.[/QUOTE]
spot on we never had the poppy forced on the top before reid so why is it being put on the celtic top now

 

This has blown WAAAAAAAAAY out of proportion

 

The Celtic Trust -

Well *' said by both, well said indeed

 

spot on we never had the poppy forced on the top before reid so why is it being put on the celtic top now[/QUOTE]

From what I can remember it all started after some of the newspapers started campaigns to get the poppy on the football tops in England and it spread to up herea year later.

 

i completely agree with you on this i have said before if it were just for the world wars i would have no problems as those men were heroes but it's when you bring in controversial wars like iraq and ireland you are going to get controvery so why did they have to change the poppys meaning

 

What? Think about the majority. I said about the fact that there were some bad people doing bad things- but not all and you said some *'s were alright, sarcastically. You can't liken the *'s 50 years ago to 20/30 years ago. They were under the strict leadership of someone that gave them orders that we all know about.

no. Just the only way you can be sure is to ask them all. or thousands of them? Or maybe yous hear the ones who speak up on the same view you do and think that it is a majority- when perhaps even more than them sit and watch the football. You may hear those singing the same view as you? But more may be not bothered with politics.

 

I just put a big post on the other poppy thread and can't be arsed typing it all out again so I'll copy and past some of it on here to guage opinion, because this is an issue I feel passionately about:

November sees the appearance of the Poppy all over society and is thrust in your face in every single setting. If you find the symbol offensive, an offence which I think it is wholly justifiable to take, I see no reason why you yourself should not be entitled to voice an opposition to a symbol which connotes the glorification/ remembrance/ admiration (whatever you want to call it) of a number of conflicts with aims that never went beyond Imperialistic dominance. If it is acceptable for society to embrace and indulge such glorification, it should be equally acceptable to voice opposition, providing it is well founded, explained and not expressed in a deliberately inflamatory or hateful way.

I also disagree with the idea that the GB have brought shame on Celtic by their stance. Regardless of your opinion on the Poppy issue, it makes me proud that we remain a fanbase where liberal and democratic practices remain strong and fans are autonomous enough to reject the mainstream and stand by values which run to the core of club. For Celtic to seek to punish these fans is an absolute disgrace. The banner was not disgraceful, it expressed a political stance in a manner which was well within the fan's rights under UK law and if Celtic seek to ban its perpetrators, I would be appalled.

I believe that at the core of those who disagree with the right of the GB to protest against the Poppy is an embarassment at the annual abuse we as a club take over this issue. If that's the case, they need broader shoulders, because to sacrifice the democratic traditions of our club and the right of individual supporters to express themselves in return for favourable Daily Mail headlines and less abuse on idiotic fan forums across the country would be a sad thing. Don't abandon our fundamentals to protect yourself from controversey.

I don't wear a Poppy, but I don't find it offensive either. I appreciate what it represents in term of the World Wars, but struggle to reconcile the heroism of those wars with the injustice and barbarism of Ireland specifically. I therefore settled on passively removing myself from the issue, and would not actively protest myself. But more important that the Poppy issue, is the need for Celtic to remain a club where liberalism and free speech remain and that is something I will always defend.

"I don't agree with what you say, but I will defend to my death your right to say it". (Voltaire).

 

From what I can remember it all started after some of the newspapers started campaigns to get the poppy on the football tops in England and it spread to up herea year later.[/QUOTE]
they tell the fans to leave all politics out of football yet they bring it onto our strips this is what get's people backs up

 

What's with the italics?

Errr think again. Look at it properly. It was said that a lot of this was aimed at Reid. But I said that things had been this way for years and years before his involvement. Thats it. I'm not clueless, I actually consider the other side of the argument and think about things before posting. Not sure others do.

 

I would say the majority of the Celtic support don't really care one way or another and are only really interested in the football. However on messageboards there will be some in support of the Green Brigade and others where there are more supporters of Celtic in this case. For example there are some of the boards which have stricter rules meaning often more moderate fans will post there with the more extreme are drowned out while on the Huddleboard there are fans who have stronger opinions on tough issues such as the poppy debate.

 

i´am celtic minded my friend, because i don´t give a * about any political statement. i travel as much as i can to support my beloved team and i would never ever insult someone when i wear the hoops. I LOVE CELTIC and everything the club stands for. man i even worn * green nikes on my wedding day.

you tell me a watcher? you and people like you just use celtic as their stage to insult people. same do most of the huns. i don´t give a * about this.

you´re not celtic minded, you´re hate blinded. :bbpd:

 

at the end of the day the british forced my family out of their country so i have no time whatsoever for them even if it was just a minority they were under orders from a government but not to go around killing innocent people as young as teenagers. Also no offence but i reckon i would no more about the majority view of the fans as i am amongst them week in week out and due to going to a catholic school have lived amongst the celtic fans for the majority of my life

 

Im afraid you're totally incorrect. Glasgow Celtic has always been rooted in politics. FACT!

tell me, what does Celtic stand for in your eyes?

 

The poppy in recent years has become more prominent to act as a propaganda campaign to try and raise support for the wars going on at the moment. Sadly as this message has became clearer other like myself who wear it in rememberence to all in the world wars look like they are supporting present conflicts when in reality I am totally oppossed. A few years ago there was less pressure to wear the poppy and I think that has left people who did wear the poppy to decide to stay away from it. The poppy wasn't a political issue years ago just a charitable foundation but now it is political sadly.

 

the green brigade should hang their heads in shame, they speak only for themselves and DO NOT represent the majority of celtic fans, who recognise the sacrifice the fallen have made in giving us THE FREEDOMS WE ENJOY AND TAKE FOR GRANTRED TODAY!!..this also includes the idiots who insist on adding IRA to the willie maley song...its gotta stop..GROW UP GUYS !!