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Olivier Ntcham

Discussion in 'Ex Players' started by Norm Peterson, Jul 12, 2017.

Discuss Olivier Ntcham in the Ex Players area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. The Prof Administrator Administrator

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    His ability counts for nothing if he dosen't want to be here, Lenny needs to sit down with the guy and find out where his head is at, canny afford to go into the new season with an unhappy player, particularly one that could could be sold for a good few quid.
     
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    We dont need to sell in order to buy, nor do we need to sell in order to extend contracts.

    Youre not really making much sense.
     
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    That's low, you know I can't do that :40: Anyway it was an arbitrary amount of £1.5m and I suggested it would be better spent extending Dembele's contract only to give an example of the contrasting potential and use to us of both players.

    We don't need to sell in order to buy for sure but we do need to sell those who are either not up to it or not up for it.
     
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    I think we need to wait until he is 18 before we can extend his contract.

    But yes, if Ntcham doesn't want to be here sell him now. His value will only diminish even more if he keeps putting in can't be arsed performances, and it will get him off the wage bill. Hopefully we will spend the proceeds on strengthening the team.
     
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    Oh my that's true and probably the main reason, if he keeps playing like that he'll we'll not be able to get rid of him :rofl:

    I didn't know that about young players' contracts, thanks. I guess it makes sense as at 18 they are allowed to make their own decisions. Let's give him as many opportunities as possible then to prove himself and help us into Europe meaning he won't want to leave as he'll know he can't get such experience anywhere else. Then when he's 21 and developed into a sure thing we both make a fortune.
     
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    Can't believe people are wanting shot of this guy But want to keep Bitton and lustig!
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    Ntcham has bags more potential. He just needs to be managed right, and I think Lennon could be that guy.
    Clearly he had an issue with Brendan after the dembele situation, but we need to give him a chance with Lennon.
     
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    Totally agree with this although he does at times lack consistency he has a lot higher glass ceiling than others in the squad and in the right system I still think there is a lot more to come from Ntcham
     
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    No one has said they want rid of him. It's because he appears to want to go himself and it's affecting his and our performances.

    You could be right regarding Lenny who has proven he knows how to motivate players into a team. That would be fantastic.

    Right now it seems a tough ask.

    Lustig will kick your balls assisting both wings any more of yer pish.

    Dunno about Bitton, used to be good but hasn't been awful considering he's been patching up positions this season. I don't think he's as critical a player as our main defenders are. I doubt he's a drain our our financial resources so I'll leave that one up to Lenny.
     
  9. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Has he once said he wants to leave?

    Or are people just judging by his recent performances? And the fact he isn't always blood and thunder.

    Plenty of players have been up and down the past season or so. I want him to stay but if he us to go we have to push for as much as possible. Or we will regret it IMO.
     
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    When has Ntcham ever come out and said he wants to leave??
    It's all been assumptions because of his poor performances. Again that could be down to the issue with Rodgers.
     
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    Beat me to it mate, totally agree!
     
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    Problem with Ntcham is that he doesn't seem to do many interviews so all we have to go on is his attitude and application on the pitch which has been rotten lately. It might just be his style, but that's how it comes across.
     
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    Aye this.

    Don't think anyone said Ntcham has openly expressed a desire to leave, he 'appears' to want to leave. Shelby might be right, his lack of enthusiasm isn't exactly unique to us recently but it's his overall body language, for a player with his spirited character it's very unusual.
     
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    I would punt him for as big a fee as possible. hopefully he has a great tournament and gets an EPL club, Marseille and Porto all bidding for him. He is a valuable asset and we should be looking for a sizeable fee that can be used to remodel the squad, like Lenny Did with the Mcgeady Fee last time round. would be looking for a fee over 15 million for him. Due to Age, under 21 French International and length of Contract. with a generous sell on fee too.
     
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    With Lenny going potentially two up top and overlapping full backs. I can see him playing a diamond in midfield.

    If that’s the case ntcham will get a lot of game time.

    Out of interest would you play Forrest or rogic at the point of that diamond?

    Sinclair will move on if that’s the case with the likes of the Ukrainian Bhoy giving us options on the wing to mix it up a bit
     
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    The only thing to be fair was offering him a new deal when Porto bid as he supposedly wanted away then..

    Apart from that it's just his demeanor and big general drop of form..
     
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    I’m fairness, back then the squad wasn’t on the back of a treble treble.

    We never sold a player for a large fee since Petrov which was few seasons before that.

    Today we have the finances to sign the required players and certainly with the loan players gone back plus the players out of contracts both the space within the squad and the finance for the wages for the in coming players.

    Yes if the player doesn’t want to be here or won’t fit into the system played then he needs to go. But we shouldn’t be dependant on player sales to fund future signings this season, especially if we qualify for champions league
     
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    Even when he was playing at his best he's always been a quiet guy.
    I think Lennon should be given time with him to draw out that class again before we punt him out the door. Unless we get offers we can't refuse.
     
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    If Lenny could get him right then that wouldn't be a bad idea but it's a big if at present..

    Bain

    Gumny
    Ajer
    Benkovic
    KT

    McGregor
    Ntcham
    Christie
    Turnbull

    Edouard
    Shved

    That isn't a bad optional lineup if we get the other two in..
     
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    No no no, we're not playing any team or formation that doesn't include Forrest.
     
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