"Offensive chanting"

It doesn't have anything to do with Celtic. Neither does Mystic Penguin and lots of other usernames...

 

There will always be debate about what songs are OK but I think a few must absolutely go. Firstly any that actually refer to controversial paramilirary groups past and present which are 100% certain to cause offense to a significant number of people in Scottish football grounds. That means an end to ra or uda etc songs. Secondly any songs that refer to the catholic or protestant denomination or the leaders of the denominations in a degrading or inflaming way. That would mainly effect Rangers but we would have to forget roman in the gloamin, north men south men and the like that refer to protestants, protestantism or the leaders/founders of protenstantism. I am afraid too that just as FTP would have to go, FTQ would have to go too as she is head of the episcopalians, anglicans etc.

Out too would go all references to hating peoples of countries. Clearly the anti-Irish/anti-Ireland references of Rangers would have to go but so would anti-British/English references etc. This is Britain after all, most people still vote to remain British in Scotland (unfortunately) and therefore of course anti-British sentiment is going to offend many.

Basically in a nutshell there has to be an end to 'anti' songs about nationalities, nations, peoples religious denominations and the leaders/historic founders of those denominations. Its the 'anti' element that we most complain about (anti-Irish, anti-pope, anti-catholic etc) but we must remove the equivelent (anti-British, anti-Queen, anti-Knox, anti-protestant) songs that we do have. I know they are less than the other side but its going to have to be even and total IMO. We either remove the national/political/religious angle from the OF rivallry or we dont.

 

That's great mate why don't you get all of the people who sit next to you to join in aswell? Seriously ffs move on the club has and so should you

 

He should't move on because ignorant people think he should.

 

Mystic Penguin may have * all to do with Celtic but its a class name

 

Well said.
I support celtic because I love the team, i've lived and breathed celtic my whole life and at no point have i ever felt i support them because of anything Non-Football related from the past. In fact im particularly proud of celtics stand point that they are welcoming of all cultures and beliefs (unlike the scum down the road) Its ridiculous that anyone thinks the stands are a good place to sing about your pride of being irish or scottish or whatever. If it's offensive or antagonistic to anyone listening then dont sing it. What good is it going to do? It lowers us to your and Rangers fans level.

If you have strong beliefs related to anything deemed inappropriate, either keep it yourself or sing it somewhere that doesnt make the rest of us look bad.

 

Deemed inappropriate by who? Bigots? The media? Racists?

I as well as many others will sing about my heritage whether you and others like it or not.

If you have a problem with people singing Irish hero songs come to every game and tell us to stop.

Moaning behind a computer screen won't stop us.

 

Exactly. NOT ME. I agree that near enough all the songs we sing are perfectly fine, and they are just looking for any excuse to throw us in the same pot as rangers. But why give them the excuse? I dont want to be accussed of being a bigot, racist or sectarian for singing any song. So whats the harm in leaving out the ones that make us look bad, regardless of what the songs are about, we have plenty more.

Every game I go to, I most certainly will be discouraging everyone from singing songs that are now illegal. For their own sake as well as the club's reputation. I know full well I am not alone in this and have spoken to many celtic fans that feel the same way. I sincerly hope you will see sense and realise being stubborn and defiant is not the right way to combat the bias ridden media.

 

They aren't illegal.

Giving into racism isn't sensible.

 

You're right they arn't illegal but people don't want to be hearing this stuff when they go to watch football anymore.

 

It makes not one iota of difference a mans religion at celtic park. More over Irish history shows religion makes no difference to what the club stands for (ie the irish people) as many of the greatest irish leaders where protestans. I dont know why you are saying people are takeing the "Irish thing too far" How can you say we are too proud to be irish? Remember also a big part of pakheads season ticket holders are from Ireland and take the ferry to see the hoops. More over the "Irish thing" is what makes us a global brand as it came to represent not only only being Irish but the Irish diaspora. Many of the people who moved from Ireland where met with horribale hate and had to put up with terriable things all across the world from thier new countries. This is why many Irish people hold on to thier Irishness with such zeal. Irish immigrants where made to feel like second class citzines but instead of being ashamed of thier heritage they embarced it and to this day the tradition of celbrating the clubs and the supports Irish herritage continues.

 

Sorry i meant Banned, forbidden, agaisnt the rules, punishable by celtic etc

'Every game I go to, I most certainly will be discouraging everyone from singing songs that are now banned. For their own sake as well as the club's reputation. I know full well I am not alone in this and have spoken to many celtic fans that feel the same way. I sincerly hope you will see sense and realise being stubborn and defiant is not the right way to combat the bias ridden media.'

This is a pointless debate. I can see their are some good litigators in this thread but you are arguing a mute point. Religion, nationality and opinions dont matter because it's simply NOT ALLOWED.

Singing with pride and defiance is not the way to tackle this. WHEN you get discovered you will be kicked out of the ground and banned. And then what will you have accomplished? You will no longer be able to sing the songs cause you wont be there and you will have dragged Celtics name through the mud while your at it.

I have made countless complaints to the SFA, Ofcom and the BBC about this and the reason it is now called 'offensive' rather than 'sectarian' is diretly because of us going through these channels. So lets continue to do this, unite and support celtic together.

 

Why do are fans attend away games then? Stop making daft generalisations just because you don't like certain songs. You clearly don't speak for the hardcore of are support.

 

You discourage away mate.

If you and others find songs about Irish heroes offence. Then that's your and other people's problem. Don't make it ours.


And thd songs we sing haven't been banned so please stop acting as if they have.

 

There was a police guy on the news tonight saying that we won't get a list of banned songs.

So we're allowed to sing anything then?

 

Yes.

Obviously don't sing racist songs we should leave that * to the huns.

 

Celtic and the authorities will and so they should, time to grow up children.

 

No they won't.

Maybe the rebel haters should grow up and realise that there is nothing wrong with singing about Irish heroes. Just like there's nothing wrong with singing about Welsh heroes, Scottish heroes and French heroes. And the fact you and the others have a clear problem with songs about Irish heroes highlights your own racist and narrow minded views on your fellow supporters.

 

Singing the Soldier Song, Fields of Athenry etc I am totally on board with. I do it myself.

What really makes me cringe though is when, at the odd away game, you hear the outright chanting of 'Ooh ahh Up the RA' or 'PI PI PIRA'. That's just a lot of * nonsense and needs to stop. Most of the clowns chanting it are only doing it to noise up the opposing fans and don't seem to give a * that they are embarrassing the club in the process.

 

To be fair I only heard the PIRA chant once and it was just after our manager got attacked. As for singing Up The Ra I only really hear that when its being chanted with the Celtic symphony. Which I don't see as a problem because its part of the song.