Neil Lennon: debate over when he should eventually leave the post of Celtic manager

A find it sad you need the scum in the league to enjoy Celtic winning the league title.

A find it sad you fail to realise Rangers past away and therefore cannot "return" as you put it.

And a don't care if you agree way the above.

 

Anyone who voted in this ridiculous poll should be ashamed of themselves. Granted slight leeway for the 2017 onwards option which could be construed as open ended. But for anyone who voted before that needs to have a right good look at themselves and ask what they really want for this club and how they see it progressing without a diehard like Lennon at the helm.

I didnt vote for the record.

 

I dont really care who the competition is as long as there is some. It may be a sad thing but I dont think the other clubs are ever going to be able to provide that and only Sevco are realistically going to give meaningful competition. The SPL is simply pointless and meaningless at present. Its still a sport and its pointless without realistic competition of any sort and I just get very little pleasure from winning titles without any competition. You cannot seriously not miss tight leagues and the big derbies.

 

I dont think being a diehard is relevant to managing a club. Many of the greatest managers we not diehards for their clubs before they took the helm.

 

Without a word of a lie a can honestly say I look forward to every Celtic game whether It was against the now deceased Rangers or St Mirren. A would rather play in Europe than have games against the oldco and that's what we have been getting. So as long as we keep getting into Europe every season I'll be extremely happy. If we don't, I'll be happy.

A fell in love with football before I fell in love with Celtic. Watching football in general makes me happy, so watching Celtic who a love so much play the beautiful game it doesn't matter who there playing it's always going to be enjoyment for me.


A see you missed my other point, but in case you didn't know, Rangers were liquidated. Accept it and move on

 

I dont think too many managers in the history of football stay around for 12 years or so. I think 5 is about the maximum on the trot. Big Jock was an exception but he was unique and achieved unbelievably in a far stronger league than we have now and with very little spending. Steins, Fergusons etc are rare as hens teeth and no Celtic manager is fit to lace their boots.

Lenny is always going to be impossible to assess in proper subjective terms as a manager (stripping back the personality stuff) when Celtic history looks back because of the unique one horse aspect of the league. So, that really leaves Europe as the only way of assessing him. In terms of that he has been a mixed bag and I think his great run last season will be hard to repeat because I think our player quality reached its recent peak then and we have sold off too many good players and probably more soon.

Lets look at it from Lenny's point of view. He is looking at another year and a half minimum of pointless league campaigns without any competition. From the point of view of a competitive kind of guy he must primarily get his fun from the European games and very little from the SPL. His stock is never going to rise like it could while this SPL situation remains the case. Only really good European runs would help his stock rise but he really only has last season as a big brownie point. I would be virtually certain that his ambition lies in England and that he would head to England if he got a decent offer at a decent club. Celtic is a great club but its trapped in the sorriest SPL of all time and that must be mind numbing for Lenny.

I dont really see what the future is. Its a dreadful time for Scottish football and its impossible to completely live in a club bubble and be uneffected by that. I think the only thing that would revive my interest is if some sort of rules were changed that made it manditory to use home grown young players. I think that would bring Scottish football into a better place personally. Right now I have found it extremely difficult to even bother checking the score over the last years except the European games. I am not a glory hunter as I have seen loads of ups and downs but if you just dont feel it any more you cant pretend. No matter how vile the Sevco bunch are, the removal of the only other side capable of giving us a run for our money most seasons has made the SPL pointless. By all means it would be fine of the other sides had the resources for a Sevco-free SPL to be exciting but its just not gong to happen.

 

Lennon will stay to the end of this season for 3 IAR.
Next season seals 4 IAR.
The year after will see Sevco reach the SPL for the first time (more than likely) and is a chance for Lennon to achieve 5 IAR.
If he hits 5 or 6 IAR I really can't see him missing the opportunity to get 10 IAR.

I can't believe any of our fans actually want him to leave though.

 

I know Rangers are gone. Its not really my point though. I like football as a sport as much as being a club man and I just dont get the feeling any more because of the dead SPL. I am not a glory hunter though and have been following Celtic since the end of the 70s. Its just its a unique situation in the SPL that has challenged keeping my interest more than anything in that entire period. I dont like feeling that way but you feel how you feel. The only beacon of light in recent years was the last 16 which was great and I did love the way our quality of player got to last season but this is against a background of non-competition most weeks which is killing my interest. Sorry for being a negative *. I have avoided posting for a long time because I will just depress people lol

 

Its just possible that Lenny would fancy the 5 with Sevco in the SPL. I would be amazed if an ultra competitive man like Lenny wouldnt love that. It is just possible he might think that but IMO that would be just about the only prospect that would light his fire. I very much doubt he sees himself here for anything like 10 in a row though. I think that is a fan dream but I dont think pros really think like fans. Basically other than Ferguson people just dont stay at a club for 12 years, especially if they are in a league that must not remotely match their ambitions. I dont for a minute doubt Lenny feels some frustration about the league context he has to work in and I would really be totally amazed if he fancies 7 more years of it no matter how much he loves the club. He is way too competitive for that I think. Wrong personality type IMO. I could have seen a homely kind of personality like Tommy Burns spending his entire career at Celtic but Lenny doesnt strike me as being like that.

 

People who are expecting competition to increase if the undead come up are going to be sorely disappointed.

 

i dont think that poll really is so much about people wanting him to leave. I think people are partly working out how he probably feels and I just think the 41% probably think he wont be around a lot more seasons because he is a competitive guy. I also think the club transfer policy probably will mean last season was not only a peak in Euro achievement for Lenny but also likely the peak in player quality that we will see for some time.

 

I am not so sure. I personally think they will end up 2nd in the SPL in their first season back. They may be total cnuts but there is still far bigger fan base than anyone other than us. It like when we nearly went had gone down the tubes years ago - I think everyone felt that the club is really the fanbase rather than the title deeds and the fanbase remains even if the club doesnt and would always pop back up in a new form. I think even if we find them very distasteful they will bounce back whether we like it or not. I dont think they would be fit for a title challenge for a long time but I could still see them going straight to 2nd, such is the state of the SPL.

 

I disagree entirely. You're completely underestimating the standard of the other sides in the top flight. I know it's fashionable to always be on a downer about Scottish football but it's far from being the worst league in the world. I can't see them making the top 4 in their first season. In fact, I can't see them being around much longer.

They'll struggle if they make it to the top flight. They're haemorrhaging money and the side they have at present isn't good enough for the top flight. They'll either go the way of the old club or they'll spend years in limbo until they manage to sort out their finances. I can't see a title challenge coming from them any time in the near future.

I'm completely indifferent to them so I'm not saying that out of bitterness.

 

Anyway, I don't know why the * I'm discussing them. They shouldn't be mentioned anywhere in Celtic Chat.

 

Some hate rangers more than they support Celtic, it appears.

Rangers exiting the league is reason our fans are now not turning up. It's that simple. Some will resist this idea but it's true

 

Don't really understand all this give youth a chance stuff, give who a chance exactly? Most of them are already out on loan getting first team football.

12 of the youths have been sent out on loan i think, the only one left who should be realistically getting first team appearances that i can think of is Liam Henderson.

 

I think he will be here for a while longer. I'm sort of impartial on it, I really like Lennon but then I don't like some of his decisions and his lack of cup success has been frustrating. I guess he certainly deserves another season if he wants one, but another year like this one won't be good enough really.

 

it may seem that way but i believe if the competition was greater then the fans would show up,


i also think if the price for tickets was reduced substancially that would increase crowds

infact those fans hoping that the board will step away somewhat from season ticket holders entitlement to champions league tickets will be sorely disappointed, no chance of that

i believe if we don't achieve champions league our season tickets are gonna bottom out

the poor attendance is all mostly all about poor competition

and i agree with gunt even though rangers died the huns will live on and will support any new clone of a team that gets formed

it would be great for Scottish football if the bigots of which there are many in Scotland invested whole heartedly in their nearest club that would be brilliant for Scottish football, rich bigots aswell as poor bigots instead of trying to keep afloat a huge protestant challenger to scottish footballs top team us Celtic

 

Anybody see him on Soccer Am there. Spoke very well (as usual), his love of Celtic is clear.
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However when tubes asked him if he sees himself at Celtic for the forseeable future, or whether he wants a crack down South, Lennon was a bit funny with his answer: 'Well, you never know what the future holds...'

He said the ideal situation would be managing Celtic down South.

 

Like it or not, Lennon is staying for the 10 in a row