Multiculturalism - has it failed?

I think the Catholic faith has had a massive effect on the culture of Ireland.

As it is, I've never really understood the multicultaral thing, I mean, where do you draw the line? I grew up in the East End of Glasgow, where the culture is vastly, vastly different to the likes of Newton Mearns.

 

Interesting that the 5 countries where a much larger % of the population hold negative views towards Muslims in comparison to the UK also have a lot less Muslims living there as a %.

 

I can tell from my experiences here in Berlin that the places were migrants are having significant numbers but not a majority are the most cultural, diverse and cool places. No ethnical conflicts at all.

 

People fear what they don't understand.

 

My brother lives in Frankfurt but doesn't seem to have anywhere near as much conflict as some folk in Glasgow do with migrants in Germany. However i think I will keep listening to The Dark and FinnMcCool 1967 as they are probably right.

 

How's Glasgow coping with the Irish immigrant crisis? Just asking?

 

Probably set up a football team.:icon_mrgreen:

 

In the same breath I'm asking myself how the North of Ireland is coping with the Scottish settlers and I'm thinking... not too * well to be honest...

 

Great Idea my friend... but what would we call it!?!?

 

Aye, the divisions are there on both sides of the water and probably will be for as long as the two separate groups exist.

 

I'd say it's more to do with Eastern European countries rejecting cultural Marxism as a reaction to the Communist governments which once ruled there.

 

Explain to me how rejecting cultural Marxism would correlate with not liking Muslims? And what's not liking Muslims got to do with formely being under Communist rule?

I would say it's because most of what they hear about Muslims is from mainstream news and they equate Muslims with terrorist attacks. You fear what you don't know. Whereas here there is a good chance that you have grown up with Muslims all your life know that the majority are just want to live in peace.

Islam is not with out its problems I know that. I was watching Tommy Robinson speak at the Oxford Union and I have done a complete 180 on the guy , if you had asked me years ago I would have told u he was complete scum.

In my opinion his views on Islam are too extreme and all too often he tars Muslims with the same brush. But having heard about how he grew up and what's happened in his town I can sympathise.

Towns lthat have a very large Islamic population like Luton can run into problems. There seems to be a fringe of Islam that is very radical and dangerous that breed in towns like these. I stress that this is obviously a very small minority.

 

But to reiterate from that pole it is telling that the counties with the biggest fear of Muslims are the ones with the least amount of Muslims living there. Even more so than the countries like France that are prone to terrorist attacks.

Looking forward to your mental gymnastics to try convince me/yourself otherwise.

 

You wouldn't find a Pole being like this anyway, let me just say that.

https://www.rt.com/news/338779-somalian-refugee-raped-politician/

 

Also Italy Greece and Spain were never under communist rule or situated in Eastern Europe but they do all have alot less Muslims than France, the UK, Sweden, Germany and the Netherlands and yet they dislike Muslims alot more.

So how is it countries with more Muslims are more tolerant of them than countries with alot less?

Also explain your communist theory to me im all ears.

Or you can continue to mock my spelling and grammar it will be alot easier for you as im pretty * at both.

 

Arent a couple of the guys in here from towns like these, or near them?

 

In a discussion with a friend she said MC had failed because people didn't so much as want to assimilate into the general population but rather they wanted us to adopt their ways. There is to be no live and let live. That we would see more and more extremism over time until the general will of the British people is bent to accommodate and pacify the minority. She cited other demographic factors that might help to bring all that about such as white Christian peoples of all the Christian religions having fewer children in comparison to our Muslim counterparts, more Muslims gaining high office in public life/institutions who might seek to influence societal change. Ultimately she felt that in time there was going to be a huge societal shift which would have an impact on our way of life. She cited little things which have been creeping in over the years such as changes in nativity plays in schools and a general cautiousness around the Christian religion so as not to upset our neighbours. The building up of areas heavily populated by immigrants and foreign nationals contribute to isolation and hamper integration and assimilation in society. She's not politically minded but that was how she seen it as an ordinary joe on the street.

I should add my friend lives in NI and said she's thankful that they don't see much of the changes there!

 

Let's be honest here, multiculturalism hasn't failed really. What has failed is the relationship between a mostly liberal Western world and a religion in Islam that pretty much goes against those principles.

I see no one having issues with Sikh's or Hindu's, or with Christian's from other parts of the world really. The main issue is with Islam if we're honest.

The problem as I see it is that Islam in the Middle-East is basically the equivalent to Christianity here in Europe hundreds of years ago.

Where the issue is, is importing a religion that is being practiced in such a way into a modern, liberal society where the vast majority of society and the way they conduct their lives goes directly against the Islamic teachings.

I'm not saying that I'm happy about this, by the way. I'm just stating things as I see them.

Of course, we can all pretend that this isn't the case and that it's just western people hating what they don't understand, blatant racism and so forth.

That will solve * all though.

 

Great post and very succinctly put I agree with all of that.