Multiculturalism - has it failed?

Islam lacks just some sort of reformation. I think its the beginning of the process. It will take time and many a lifes but i think the current extremism and its end will lead to some sort of reformation. But it could take some decades or a century. Just like with christianity.

 

Yea np. Like I said I agree with the bulk of what your saying was just that sentence jumped out at me.

I dislike when people tar all Muslims with the same brush but as an Ideology Islam isnt above criticism. I was watching some Tommy Robinson videos recently and have to say I think he has been unfairly represented in the press and there were alot of misconceptions of him.

He was one of the first people to criticize Islam as a whole after his home town was completely changed by mass Islamic immigration. I dont agree with everything he i think he has some legitimate grievances that are written off by people who haven't experienced what he has.

At the time he was roundly accused of being a racist by middle class people form towns and city's that didn't have the same mass Islamic but alot of what he was saying is now resonating with a wider audience.

 

Comforting to know, we can all sleep a bit easier tonight!!!!

Be interesting if you were so blasé about the overall situation if one of those "lives" as you put it where someone you know * forbid.

Have all the women in your city got to stay in on the 31st December this year or is being an apologist for this ideology and scumbag behaviour the depths we have to reach to defend this element over your own women's basic freedoms?

 

You quote Tommy Robinson, it's hard to give him the time of day when you see his background and many of his hangers on, the EDL were funded from some zioinist neo con group in the USA and Robinson's lack of criticism of Gaza would appear to show he is having certain levers being pulled.

All that said he has read and studied the Koran unlike me or 99.9% of his critics and appears knowledge about the scriptures, he has lived in those communities all his life, been in jail with the radicals and certainly speaks with more authority about their ideology and way of life than the usual people sticking up for Islam in the liberal media, best example is a video on YouTube of one of these antifacist groups debating Islam when the spokesperson or anyone else within the group has ever read the Koran, and embarrassingly had to admit as much, that's a bit like me being a public relations spokesman for the Orange March yet never been on one!!!!

 

I want to read Tommy Robinson book also Maajid Nawaz book. They are both products of where they grew up and have had a lot of conflict in their lives. Robinson talks some sense, but he also goes over the top with his "Islamization" theories. I'm not totally sure on Pegida UK I don't know too much about them other than they claim to be all about silent protests but they do also hold some really stupid over the top placards.

The German Pegida are much like the EDL thick hooligans who believe in collective punishment and scum bags on the whole. The video of Tommy Robinson making a fool of al jazeera reporter who tried to trick him reading verses from the Bible and then claiming it was the Quran to try and make Robinson look stupid backfired massively and really made the Al Jazzera reporter look at * that very funny. I was watching a recent interview with Tommy Robinson he says he expects to be killed which is pretty * scary when you think he is not even living in a Muslim country.

 

Tommy Robinson's rise to popularity was forced. The BBC gave him loads of interviews on their programmes because they wanted this semi-literate man leading an army of chavs to be the face of Nationalism. They know the EDL can never have any power or influence because they're not a political party, they're only active on the streets, getting into fights with Antifa and causing havoc, which is where they want nationalism to be.

 

You're absolutely right. I enjoy reading your posts.

 

Yea the EDL attracted some knuckle draggers for sure but also many working class people with genuine concerns. Tommy Robinson will be the first to tell you that, in fact he mentioned it was one of the reasons he decided to leave, he had to spend alot of time policing his own party.

He is hated by many on the left and and branded a racist and a * but he is hated by the far right and * sympathizers just as much. In fact there is a video of him threatening someone at one of his rallies who was throwing up * salutes.

Overall I have mixed views about him and for all you can criticism him for being a racist or * isnt one.

Yea I wouldn't mind mind reading either of them, the Robinson one in particular. Yea I think that is the problem with the EDL is that Robinson while no angel does come from somewhat of an understandable angle , keeping scum bags out of the EDL would be near impossible though.

I know little of Majid Newaz but your right about Robinson being a product of his environment. I changed my views on him after watching him address the Oxford union in which he describes how he grew up.

 

For all you can critisize Tommy Robinson for being semi- literate isnt one of them. As some one pointed out he has read the Quaran which is more than you can say of his detractors. He is alot of things , stupid and racist are not one of them.

 

For something to have 'failed', the movement has to have concluded.

Multi-culturism may not be progressing as well as the idealists would hope, but the pragmatists would acknowledge that it's still very VERY early days.

Behavioural modernity in the human species has been prevalent for almost 50,000 years and that period is littered with events that continue to engender hatred and disrespect. Is it really reasonable to expect our species to have forgotten these differences and streamline our tolerances just within the last 50 years?

It'll get better... slowly... particularly as the organised religions continue to lose influence on modern life.

 

Would it not be fair to say it's exsisted pretty much since man first established rudimetary trading routes? Its obviously more extreme in it's current form but that would be expected a technology develops. Either way, the genie is well and truly out the bottle and isn't going back.

 

No surprises there.

 

There's always going to be racism in any society, humans naturally group ourselves along tribal lines, that can't be helped or prevented. For that reason multiculturalism will never truly work anywhere, one culture will always be dominant over others which causes conflict. The recent rise of Islamic extremism is in my opinion mainly a railing by some Muslims against modern western culture, the vast majority of muslims appreciate that living in democratic secular Britain is far, far, far better than an Islamic based society.

Our society is far from perfect and never will be but I would still rather live in a mixed society than one where everyone looked, spoke and acted the exact same.

I would honestly like to see all extreme racist and anti-migrant people put on an island just with each other for a week, see how they cope without foreign food, telly, inventions etc. It would be boring as * apart from anything else.

 

For the most part it's working fantasicslly well in London. Not sure about the rest of the world tho

 

What makes you say it is working well in London?

 

No any more

 

What are "our country's" "Customs and way of life" exactly?

I was born and bred here and I have a vastly different outlook on life than a loyalist hun who was also born here.

So what are these customs you speak of?

 

Interesting to note that again those that scored highest have the fewest amount of Muslims living there as a %. Similar to the other chart you posted where the countries with the least amount of muslims living there also had the least amount of tolerance towards them.