Multiculturalism - has it failed?

Does anyone think it's a possibility that Britain will one day be under sharia law?.

 

No. The UK is about what, 5% Muslim? I would imagine only a small minority of that small minority would be remotely interested in implementing Sharia law, while the rest would be in the stocks/gallows/gas chambers with the rest of us.

How do you define multiculturism? If it's simply more than one cultural group living in a common area then I think it's very successful. What we're seeing just now is a rise in Islamic extremism across Europe driven predominently by IS, but the fact that they're killing significantly more people of their own culture (middle-eastern Muslim), than they are of our (our collective 'western European Christian/Atheist culture') would suggest that it isn't driven by multiculturism failing.

It's murky waters though, with loads of loosly defined terms. I was born in Scotland to parents from very different backgrounds, but probably feel most at home 'culturally' in parts of Europe I've visited :smiley-laughing002:

 

No, the British bill of rights will never be substituted for such constitutional barbarity. Both ethically and politically today shows that it isn't even near such threat. In my honest opinion I feel like this whole "sharia law is coming to Britain" is a huge exaggeration and overemphasised for a political platform. Its just nonsense.

 

Nonsense, complete and utter nonsense. What a intro perspective view of things honestly.

Majority of it not all conflicts, wars and disputes have been over resources where religion has been used as some sort of apparatus to gain support or dehumanise the opposition.

 

I think at the moment we could say multiculturalism has failed in maybe the same way as multi-classism has failed by creating ghettos which have glass ceilings?

There has been progress though if we consider the differences in class from 100 years ago, life longevity and job prospects.

So I think these things take much longer than just a generation that we will witness. There could even be civil wars before people settle down and realise the best way to live is in harmony.

I think we're far too integrated now to reverse the trend so we will eventually share more traits than we don't.

The Irish used to be segregated and it took a long time for them to to be accepted culturally. That might have been easier due to the colour of skin and christianity, I'm not sure.

I think the world will eventually share a common culture, first of all with the English language being the most common way people communicate, then there will be dress sense which we can already see America having a massive influence on youth culture all over the world.

Maybe in 200 years we will see more multi-cultural societies as we blend and exchange cultural ideas.

 

How many muslims in Britain do you think would want to live under sharia law ?

Most younger muslims that stay here would probably rather go out to the dancing than attend mosque. Think it's the same as most religions here, slowly becoming less and less attractive in a changing world.

In the same way Irish people were housed in the slums, the current immigrants are housed together in poorer regions. Think in 20-30 years there will be bigger changes. People wanting to improve their lives and bring kids up in better areas will see more minorities spreading out into suburban areas. Will always be areas with higher percentages of immigrants than others.

 

Naw.

 

No. Not enough Muslims and not enough in those that would even want to implement it.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...s-want-to-live-under-sharia-law-a6773666.html

 

Well yea but thats not what you said. Some parts of you post I agreed with but Im taking exception to the parts above where you claim Islam in the UK is a few hundred years behind their Christian counterparts which is absolute bullshit.

In the 1800s they were still burning witches FFS. Women only got the right to vote here in the 1920's and like I said even after that bill was passed they faced a long struggle to get to where they are today, equality was not achieved overnight.

Homosexuality was illegal in this county until 1964. And again lets not pretend the passing of that bill would have meant homosexuals where treated equally as soon as that bill passed.

Modern Islam is behind the rest of the UK when it comes to equal rights for women and other modern views and they deserved to be criticized for that but your peddling gross exaggerations that will only contribute to some of the ignorance you see on here.

 

Of course not, that is simply an extreme scaremongering tactic .

Do you HONESTLY believe that Sharia Law could ever be imposed?

 

Actually the last witch was executed sometime in the late 1600's.

 

english people should have a fight together with all the Muslims to push the wahhabi imams who came from some of the Saudi funded cleric universties of Pakistan and india out of the country and make the state universities teach their own imams. Everyone who wants to in tolerant and bright society should come together and unite against hate and bigotry no matter if its wahabis,neonazis etc.

 

Yea just checked there was 1700s apparently my mistake.

My point still stands though Modern day Islam in the UK is under fire, and rightly so, for its outdated beliefs and in particular for its views women's and homosexuals rights.

But lets not pretend that we are centuries ahead of them when it was illegal to be a homosexual until the 60's and women spent decades trying to get equal rights also.

You only need to watch some old Bond films from the 60s to realize women didnt have it so easy back then despite getting the vote back in the 1920s. In fact id would argue women being equal to men in western society is quite a recent development.

 

It's hardly the same though, you didn't have homosexuals being persecuted in the same way they are in Islam or countries with Sharia law the same with women aswell, yes they weren't treated equal back then don't get me wrong but it's not the same as being threatened with violence or even death if they decide not the wear a certain type of clothing. Atleast women here were allowed to wear clothing they wanted and drive if they wanted to in the 60s, the two aren't really comparable.
Regardless of if you feel Islam is 200 years behind or 70 it should be caught up with modern society, especially if you have a massive influx of people who may hold these views coming into very liberal countries like Sweden, Germany etc.

 

FFS I made it clear the bit I took exception to in Diahbi's post was when he was talking about Islam in the UK , im not comparing the plight of women in Pakistan to the way women were being treated in the UK in the 60's. I agreed with a large amount of what he had written.

And yea I already pretty much said what you wrote in your last paragraph when I stated modern day Islam even in the UK deserves to be criticized.

 

Fair enough.

 

Point out the part where I said specifically that Muslims in the UK behave in a similar fashion to those based in the Middle-East?

I never said Islam in the UK though, did I? I was talking about Islam in general, with more emphasis on the point that the immigrants coming from the Middle-East are bringing these throwback traditions with them.

Again, I'm peddling * all. You've read into it what you want, but it's not what I said.

I said;

No mention of UK-based Muslims. You've taken that away from what I've written, but it's not what I've said.

If I was talking about Muslims in the sense of UK Muslims only I wouldn't have had to stress that I was comparing the belief system of many Muslims to their UK-based Christian counterparts, would I?

My point is that this religion is being imported from the Middle-East by people who worship in a manner that is pretty much at odds with how we live in the west.

Anyone thinking we're not going to see problems with that kind of combination is mental.

 

That wasnt the point I was trying to make apologies if it came across that way.

My issue was with you comparing Islam in the UK to Christianity in the 1800s because for reasons I have already outlined we weren't much better in the 1960s. If you werent saying that again I apologize but it sure as * seems like you were from the quote above.

 

Ah, I see it now. Yeah, I done * up with how I've written that sentence. It looks all weird and disjointed because I've written Britain twice, but what I'd meant to write was "Islam at the moment is the equivalent of going back to the mid-1800's and taking Christianity as it was then, along with its followers, and dropping it into modern Britain."

Accept my apology on that one. It's pretty obvious that whilst Islam in the UK certainly isn't compatible with a liberal way of life for the most part, it's certainly not as bad as Christianity in the 1880's.

The crux of the point I was trying to make was that a lot of newcomers to the UK, be they immigrants, refugees or whatever, are coming from a part of the world where Islam is basically as advanced as Christianity was hundreds of years ago and they are being dropped right into the middle of a modern, liberal society.

That's always going to cause some major issues.