Nayl's was on celtic tv lastnight , comes across as a good guy and looked up for the battle ahead .
i just dont understand when people single out a left back like he's been the main guy they want out when the whole midfield should hold the blame for not doin *
The midfield is the problem ffs
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I don't know RT, the coaching and tactics are my main concern.
As for the team, the CH pairing is awfull forcing the CM to play deep,
the opposing team snuffs out aidan and therefor our main threat.
The 2 (skippy and deeks) best strikers we have are frowned upon in favour of arguably our worst, and as we know strikers thrive on confidence.
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Lubo, when you say the centre back's are awful, meaning the centre back's are playing deep. Do you mean awful ability or awful paced?
I can agree with the defence playing deep because of lack of pace, but the midfield, for me, do not close the gap between themselves and the defence, leading to the opposing midfield being able to get in the gap behind the defence and midfield.
There is no harm in closing the gap, 10 yards to cover from a midfield is not too much to ask surely, and only when defending.
Most of our goals conceded are from teams playing straight through us, and midfielders running beyond ours, (Thomson's goal) and us not covering the hole.
This is where you see the loss of Neil Lennon, who was the master of plugging that gap. We have no-one other than Hartley, and he won't play him, who can play that part. -
Paul, maybe playing too deep wasn't dead accurate, tentative and nervous going forward maybe, as you say hartey closes the gap, why? if the CH's are good, and most teams are on the backfoot against us, why do we need a 4 man defense and another DM'er/defender.
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your having a laugh , the midfield for months has been non existent and in turn has let opposition slice us apart , the opposition may have not scored everytime time but its the midfield who have left the defence exposed & also the midfield who havent done enough to create or score goals
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Our obvious remedy of this is a 3-5-2, but as long as the manager refuses to budge on the 4-4-2, there's no point.
I agree totally, if you play a 4 man defence, then your midfield suffer from playing a dm. Ideally, a dm should be played in a 3-5-2 or a 4-5-1, depending on the situation.
I just don't see the benefit of playing a dm in a 4-4-2 formation.
The centre of defence is defiinitely not good enough, no matter how many people try to promote McManus, but, our central midfield are woeful imo, and the balance is off. They have no understanding of the one goes, one stays, tactic (mastered by Collins and McStay) hence the reason offensive midfields have a field day with us. -
This has been evident to me as far back as pre-season
I think this problem may not solely be down to the players. I think it might be part of this silly zonal system we play.
For example we deploy a zonal defense at set plays however we might be playing a zonal defensive system during open play aswell. As surely we would see at least one of our CM players over the season tracking oposition runners. It looks to me that our midfielders engauge their oponents when they are in their zone and pass them on when they are not. This is isolating our defenders and is causing some of the problems.Last edited by a moderator: Apr 12, 2008 -
Can't disagree with any of this paul, i just wonder though, Hartley at hearts was magic at times, Brown at hibs dynamite, Sno looks a cracker,
Donati eh?
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so everyone is the problem and not the midfield ? ffs ,the game should filter from all players but mostly the midfield
the midfield has ghosted through so many games its fukn unreal
we have been mashed , and let me guess ...its all donati's fault ?? for me brown is the weakest player in there ,lads got no discipline and has no premise of playing for a team as big as us , i believe he played in a 3 man hibs midfield,maybe he needs his mate thompson to help him oot
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Hartley looked so good at Hearts because he was played as an attacking midfielder, and his goals return made him so noticable. His strength has been ruined since coming to Celtic.
Brown is a mystery for me. He seemed to thrive on knowing he could burst forward with Thomson and Beuzellin behind him.
Sno would excel in a 5 man midfield imo, but cannot cut it in a 4.
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In hindsight RT, that would have been a great idea, we spent btwn 2m-3.5m on donati because we didn't want to pay any more than 1.2m on Thomson. That 800,000 would have been well spent.
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I totally agree with this. People think because Brown scowls at c***s, and runs about the park, that he gives us something. I think he's been as bad, if not worse than the rest of the midfield.
He is not a patch on Petrov, and his performances and goals return is proof of this.
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The best i've seen Donati play was in close season with magic and more so Millar in front of him, he's a guy who can spot a pass and execute it, but with no pace in front?
Am i wrong here paul, is GS telling the CM'ers to win the ball and get it to the flanks, because thats all they try to do. -
Can you explain this paul?
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i reckon brown will come onto a game... hes a good player.. same with naka.. these type of players cant run a team.. you need good players around you to excell.. i for one reckon the midfield is our strongest position. we have more players available in that position than any other.
i reckon some players who play midfield either from strachan are told not to go forward.. or 2 are scared to go forward because they dont have confidence/faith in the CB.
im not a big fan of mcmanus.. thats for sure... i reckon there is more to CB that talking and pumping the ball up the park.. i dont reckon mcmanus is a longterm player for celtic -
Your spot on. The cm's have no intention of making any sort of runs from midfield, driving forward. As soon as they get possession, watch their shape automatically running wide.
You'll notice Brown making the odd dart beyond the strikers, but only when the strikers drop deep to pick the ball up. (Samaras ball's to Brown at Ibrox). Very seldom will you see the midfield running beyond, unless it's onto a pass from our forwards.
Good point you make with Donati. He seemed happier picking out the pass to the forward running into space. It was a feature of Zurawski that folk didn't like, but it was an essential part of our play at the time. -
I have it on good authority that he is not 100% happy at Celtic, and the thought of missing out on the Rangers move is part of that.
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I thought that was you were meaning, i've suspected this myself, in a way though we can take this as a positive, as he reckons his career would have been better served at ibrox, this in a way suggests money wasn't the main motivation. Therefor, new man at helm a bit of investment and new set of instructions and we see a rejuvenated and happy scott brown.
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i think the main problem with the midfield is a lack of pace in fact the hole team is the same mcgeady apart we have no one who can frightin teams with that electric burst of pace we need to change to a 433 and play naka in field with hartley as the dm naka to his left his main strength apart from setpieces is passing not going past players teams are wise to him this year they double up and mark him out the game if you see him play for japan he plays in the centre with a 3 man or 5 man midfeild.
get brown in there with those 2 and you can push mgeady forward let him drag players around and give him more freedom also could give riordan a run again its back 2 a system that he and brown were used 2 at hibs also play samaras most mobile and still a threat in the air then in the summer buy a quality cb who has pace and can read the game better than caldwell the muppet. -
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Play Hartley ffs, we need a leader who is has passion and control. hes the answer to the problem. Donati has no consistency, i liked him for the first 5-10 games. i think GS has his him playing an uncomfortable roll that hes not suited to play. Brown needs a kick in the *, he shouldnt be garanteed a spot every week with his performances of late. i would play McGeady-Hartley-Robson- Riorden, lets face it, naka is not what he was last season.
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