LGBTQ rights.

I was talking to an American hick who told me he thought being gay was a selfish thing to do. Being the liberal, forward thinking young man I am I handed out a clamping by asking him why people have killed themselves over their sexuality and the reaction coming out would bring. He scrambled around before saying they obviously had other problems too. Even when they desperately try to think of a way to justify their point they still don't consider that they might be wrong.

* Christians.

 

What? Could you expand on this, please?

 

Hick: Gays are selfish.

Hibby: People who fear repercussions (from family?) after 'coming out' and kill themselves are selfish then?

Hick: Hur-dur-dur-dur. *Mumbles something incoherent about having other problems. Not sure if he's talking about homosexuals or himself*

Hibby: Jesus wept... (intentionally ironic religious comment for effect)

 

Pretty much, cheers.

North, the guy calling them selfish obviously thinks they're choosing to be gay. This is obviously nonsense as people who are terrified to come out would just choose to be straight, problem solved. This was my point.

In fact, let's not even get in to the whole thing about suicide. Even people who have come out but have taken years to do so, why would you pretend at all? Just ungay yourself seeing as it's a choice in the first place.

* stupid gays.

 

First, thank you Verrix for helping clear that up for me.

Hmm. I certainly do not believe that homosexual attraction is a choice. I don't know whether the inclination is a product of nurture or nature, though I lean towards it being a mix of both. Even if I fell on the nurture side of the argument, I wouldn't accept the "correction therapy" nonsense or that the inclination can be changed. I am far too familiar with child socialisation and psychology to believe that, but I don't want to be too dogmatic there so I wouldn't necessarily oppose further research in that field.

Engaging in homosexual acts though, most certainly is a choice. And it is a sin. But all sin is inherently selfish and seeks to indulge in our own lower and selfish appetites. And that is not something exclusive to homosexuals. My own personal sins are just as selfish, are just as evil. It would be the height of folly to believe in a personal superiority of ones self over another, morally speaking. I do believe that homosexual parenting is inherently selfish, because it deprives the children involved of the psychological and sociological input of an opposite-* parent. But that should not be construed so as to mean that homosexuals are engaging in the disordered act of raising child because of an evil intention.

To be honest with you, I have absolutely no respect for the evangelical and fundamentalist Protestant opposition and objections to homosexuality and homosexuals. From my experiences they fail to really take into account that the maxim "love the sin, hate the sinner." Their beliefs come across in a rather immature manner. "Ewwwww, gays!" It's playground stuff. Homosexuals are human beings, created by * Almighty and redeemed by the Most Precious Blood of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. They are loved by *, which means they have an incomparable value and worth. Just as any other human being. They have a cross to carry in this life, all of us do, and they should receive all support and compassion in their journey of carrying that cross. They should not be condemned as intrinsically sinful people that are to be hated. The immorality of their acts should not be embraced as being good in any way, and they should be encouraged to live chaste and holy lives. But I recall to mind that saying that we shouldn't "pretend that our * don't stink."

 

WOW! Hold on a minute.


You're young? I always had you pegged as a flat cap wearing, curmudgeonly fella. Don't know why.


Carry on.

 

Youngish.

Just googled curmudgeonly.

* you.

 

North,why aren't you a priest already?

 

this gay argument actually * me off. I have a gay family member and gay friends and you just just knew they were gay at a very young age. You don't just become gay so it's not a nurture thing. You just are. Simple as that. It's not a sin, it's not selfish, it's just a natural thing that a lot of people are. Deal with it

 

He got excommunicated for being too Catholic. Opus Dei thought he was a bit too keen on self-flagellation.

Plus he likes the ladies.

He's a good lad is our North

 

It's ironic that Christians say being gay is selfish or un-natural because they weren't designed to have children and can't contribute to the human race. What exactly do weirdo virgin priests contribute then?

 

I agree.

The words "top *" ooze out of every syllable of his posts.

 

Ah right... I get you now.

 

Amen Brother!

It's not like waking up in the morning and thinking 'I'm feeling fabulous, might be gay today'. To question someones morals, lifestyle or parenting skills on the basis of their sexuality of abhorrent. Homophonibia is akin to racism, bigotry and all other forms of intolerance. I often wonder how these judgemental people would react if their own child or a loved one announced they were gay.

 

Imagine the torment a child would go through knowing they were gay but had someone like North as a parent. Do you think it would change you North, if you had a gay child? If not id assume hanging themselves would be easier.

 

cos when hes no on here hes a * hound. cant you tell?

 

My opinion is pretty simple. As long as everyone involved is consenting, what business is it of mines?

 

If all sins are equal, then why is an unprecedented amount of emphasis placed on homosexuality activity by a particularly large section of Christianity? Why is it focused on so heavily in comparison to other sins?

And sorry for putting this all on you, but you seem like someone who knows what they're talking about so I'll keep asking :smiley-laughing002: how come many Christian groups seem to decide it's okay to ignore large sections of the Bible, yet focus so heavily on this?

And I don't even know why, but I just feel the need here to point out that I do believe in *, I'm not atheist.

 

That's a bit harsh mate. He'd probably kill North, suicide is an unforgivable sin but * would forgive murder.

 

Hmm some interesting comments in this thread. My wee brothers gay so for that reason I am all for LGBTQ rights. Even if he wasn't I would be as well.

I'm sure most folk have mixed with gay folk on here whether it be family, friends or going to a club that gay folk go to. It used to freak me out and I still do get freaked out when I see two guys kissing but each to their own and all that.