Lennon Calls For An End To Offensive Chanting

no, because they are sectarian songs

 

Yeah because men don't sing Republican songs.

 

The problem here is that some people have not either read or heard precisely what Lennon said, rather have read or heard what the 'meeja' have construed & manipulated, placing Lennon's message out of context etc, but that is nothing new. We have more than enough songs to support the Bhoys & that is what fans go to the football for - to support the team.

 

You've contributed next to nothing to this argument. Each post is a sentence at best. All you have added is sarcy comments and a * load of smileys. I suggest you try and defend your corner rather than wait for someone else to post and then say "".

 

you know thats not what I meant so dont try to be a smart *.

most people when they get a bit older tend to give that kind of stuff a rest. i'm not saying that applys to everyone nor is it a dig at anyone.

 

Yes because all your comments are pure gold and well thought out. All im doing is pointing out a clear flaw in what a member has stated. To suggest only boys sing Republican songs is ridiculous.

 

Why the cheap insult? I didn't know what you meant apart from what you wrote.

 

cheap insult?


i never wrote only boys sing those songs, that was you who said that.

i could have worded it better but you should not be jumping to conclusions and twisiting my words

 

I e-mailed Strathclyde Police a couple of weeks ago, regarding a story in the newspapers over clubs being asked to issue 'banned' song sheets:


FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]I refer to your correspondence of 13 April 2011, which was received by Strathclyde Police on that date.
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]I wish to receive a copy of any official documentation which includes which specific "songs" being sung can be punishable by arrest, and more individually as to why the song "Boys of the Old Brigade" is now being deemed as a sectarian and/or offensive song – which according to newspaper reports published today – will be met with prosecution?
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Your request for information has now been considered and I can advise you that Strathclyde Police does not hold any of the information requested by you. In terms of Section 17 of the Act, this letter represents a formal notice that information is not held.
By way of explanation, Strathclyde Police is committed to dealing with conduct at football matches that is sectarian or racist in nature. At fixtures where this type of behaviour is assessed as being likely to occur, the match-day operation will include the deployment of a dedicated team of officers whose role is to target offenders engaged in hate crime. These operations are intelligence led, with officers targeting specific areas or groups of supporters within the stadium. To date this approach has been successful and significant numbers of arrests have been made for such offences throughout the season. However, we are aware of the need to continuously improve our strategy which we will adapt and evolve as we strive to deal robustly with behaviour that has no place in 21st century Scotland.
Strathclyde Police has received several letters expressing concern in relation to the singing of unacceptable songs at this and previous fixtures and there has been significant press coverage. Our forward planning for every fixture takes account of such behaviour and you should be assured of our continuing efforts in this regard, however I trust that you will appreciate the practical difficulties when literally thousands of people join in a particular song or chant. That said, Strathclyde Police has made clear publicly on many occasions that this type of conduct is completely unacceptable and Strathclyde Police gives a firm undertaking to arrest persons engaged in such behaviour.
Susan McGinlay
As a result of the conduct of players, coaching staff and fans at previous fixtures this season, Strathclyde Police sought what has been described as a football summit, involving the Scottish Government, Football Authorities, clubs and Police. One of the many important areas which the summit participants want to address is the continuing issue of sectarianism and Strathclyde Police will take the lead on this particular work stream.
Sectarian singing is a challenging issue to address and Strathclyde Police has in the past been asked to endorse a list of songs that were either ‘approved’ or ‘banned’. We are however unable to do this, given the nuances involved in sectarian songs or chants and the manner in which certain football supporters can corrupt songs or chants to convey a sectarian message. However as part of the ongoing process to tackle sectarianism, football clubs and supporters associations will be asked to identify songs which they deem are representative and acceptable to their club. Strathclyde Police will of course provide guidance throughout this process.
Please be assured that Strathclyde Police is fully committed to robustly tackling all forms of hate crime along with our partners within the football clubs, football authorities and supporters associations. There is now more that ever, a greater focus on hate crime and sectarianism in general and it is incumbent upon us all to play our part. We expect the football authorities to play a prominent role, with Scottish Premier League match delegates paying particular attention and reporting sectarian behaviour evident during matches.
In closing, I trust that you will be reassured that the prevention of violence, disorder and all forms of hate crime which sometimes are associated with this match, while challenging, is a significant priority for this Force. The sectarian singing witnessed recently is absolutely unacceptable and is an area that Strathclyde Police will proactively target and seek to make significant improvements at future fixtures.
I hope this information is helpful, however, if you are not satisfied with the way in which your request has been dealt with, you are entitled in the first instance to request a review of the decision made by the Force. Should you wish to request such a review, please write to Mrs Sheena Brennan, Disclosure Manager at the above address within 40 working days of receiving this letter. Once informed of the Review Panel’s decision, if you are still not satisfied, then you are entitled to apply to the Scottish Information Commissioner within six months for a decision. Contact details are; Office of the Scottish Information Commissioner, Kinburn Castle, Doubledykes Road, St Andrews, Fife, KY16 9DS, telephone 01334 464610.
I should like to take this opportunity to thank you for your interest in Strathclyde Police. Should you require any further assistance concerning this matter please contact me directly on 0141 435 1217 quoting the reference number given.
Yours Sincerely
Sergeant
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Lots of teams sing the 'Cheer Up' song, there's sad orange *, sad * *, sad geordie *, sad mackem * etc

 

Your suggesting that only boys sing these songs. Thats what your post says. This isn't my fault.

The cheap insult I speak of is you calling me "smart *". Which is just petty.

 

we'll leave it at that.


Again with the twisting of words. i said "dont try to be a smart *" because you used the wee laughing guy. but you twist it to me calling you a smart *

if your insulted by that then i suggest you ask your doctor for some anti depressants or something. we're off topic now so end of:bbpd:

 

Splitting hairs. How can I be trying to be a "smart *" for reading your post the way you wrote it.

I will leave it there.

 

totally agree its time to move on now cos if we keep singing these songs we will get thrown out of europe and scottish football will come down hard on us

 

He's just angry because the manager of his club rightly acknowledges the need to eradicate the impertinent glorification of terrorists, in song, at football matches.

The way our manager has been panned for this by some suggests to me that Celtic takes a back-seat to the airing of their tired political views. People need to decide if the are more interested in supporting our club or shouting about the IRA, as the senior figures at celtic have made it clear that these two activities cannot occur concomitantly.

 

Are songs glorify freedom fighters who died for their country. You have no right to call them terrorists.

How would you know im angry.

 

Talk about hyperbole.

 

Terrorists is a subjective term. But since we're trying to deal only in fact, not opinion, we'll call them murderers instead. Happy with that?

 

As far as I am aware, the IRA committed terrorist atrocities. That is, unless you don't class bombing innocents as terrorists. I have every right to call them what I wish. Where do you stand on Al-Qaeda?

Whilst I'm fully aware that there have been various incarnations of the IRA that can rightly be classed as freedom fighters against British rule, to suggest that the term IRA doesn't carry sinister connotations of terrorism to many is utterly naive.

 

it wont matter what people say regarding rebel songs being sung until such times as the spl come out and dock celtic 3points, it will be our team that will be first to get hit and how long before eufa start examining the rebel songs they are political and the other side of glasgow wont take long to start demanding action be taken on these. how many that sing the rebel songs would like to see the team playing in the epl, 2 recent things namely the poppy protesest and the ira chanting at tyncastle will be thrown back in our faces as an excuse to block any entry. there is a bigger picture out there and if we continue on the same path a lot of doors will be closed to celtic as a team so think on we cannot continually complain about rangers without expecting to come under some scrutiny for the political songs.