Labour Revival?

I'm not too fussed about who wrote the speech or when. The points being made about globalisation and the Tories are correct.

The Spectator's a dirty Tory pamphlet anyway. I wouldn't expect it to say anything positive about Corbyn or Liebour.

 

It was reported in plenty of other sources as well. As for the speech itself well if milliband refused it that basically tells us all we need to know
Aye every second sentence from jezza seemed to be 'the tories' , gets very boring if that's all he has got, although given the type of politics he has its all he does have I guess :smiley-laughing002:

 

He needs to stick with the policies that got him elected as leader in the first place. It's not the first time a man of supposed principle bulks once they get a sniff of power. You could see it coming a mile off.

 

What got him elected in the first place was a catalogue of errors , he still didn't have enough nominations until about 30 mins before that closed , a lot of the MP's 'supported' him basically because they wanted to be seen to have an open debate about what went wrong in the labour party , then the voting process had been changed under milliband and the members got to vote and hey presto, they elected an unelectable leader (for the UK) :smiley-laughing002: and gave the SNP the best gift imaginable.
Its brilliant we couldn't have scripted it better. I just hope he can cling to power until next years Scottish elections are over and if he can stay til the European vote and the next GE all the better.

 

The Shambles that is labour under jezza and his leadership continues. Who the * is going to trust a party that appears to make up policy as they go
Why not vote for a sensible policy of not spending more than you take in, that's what we all have to do after all.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34518777


Labour U-turn: Why it's no laughing matter

Laura Kuenssberg Political editor

If it's all a political trick why should anyone care? Diane Abbott, the shadow international development secretary tried to laugh off the chaos at the weekly gathering of Labour MPs last night when she was put up to defend the policy today.

Labour's change of heart, withdrawing its support for George Osborne's attempt to make it illegal for governments to spend more than they have, was she argued, nothing more than her party's ongoing commitment to Keynsian economics. And the Chancellor's efforts are all a dastardly trap that doesn't matter.

There is a logic to opposing the bill. One senior figure in the party told me this morning, without being able to borrow to invest "there is no Labour economic story". And for Jeremy Corbyn's anti-austerity message to stick, it was odd that his close colleague John McDonnell had supported the idea in the first place. The Scottish Labour leader, Kezia Dugdale was among those who argued that position could not stick.

But McDonnell did, very publicly commit to backing Osborne's idea and the U-turn can't just be laughed off, for several different reasons.

First, Labour knows it needs voters to trust the party again on the economy. This total reversal on a key economic policy in the space of two weeks doesn't do much to inspire confidence.

Second, the manner in which its Shadow Chancellor presented the new policy, an email to Labour MPs in the middle of yesterday afternoon out-of-the-blue, runs totally counter to the approach Mr Corbyn has repeatedly said he wants to take - frank and open discussions before any decisions are made. What faith can his colleagues have in that promise now? This has soured relations between the leadership and the "making it work" brigade - politicians who accepted senior jobs in Corbyn's team for the sake of trying to keep the party together, and giving him a chance.

Third, at Labour's meeting last night there was dismay not just at how the U-turn had suddenly emerged, but at how Mr Corbyn didn't even make much attempt to confront his critics, not all from the right of the party.
Despite his overwhelming support from the party membership there is a real fear in his Westminster party that he just is not up to the demands of the job.

Lastly, Corbyn's team seemed rather taken aback by McDonnell's decision, pointedly saying last night it was "for John to defend and explain". Any split between the two is dangerous because it is easy for their enemies to exploit.

In the short term McDonnell's U-turn leaves the new leadership with a potential rebellion on its hands. Labour moderates like the former Shadow Chancellor Chris Leslie plans to abstain on what is "John's first big test", and many others may join him.

Jeremy Corbyn gave McDonnell the job of running Labour's economic policy against the advice of many others. If the last 24 hours are anything to go by, Corbyn may in time conclude it would have been better to listen to that counsel.

 

Jeremy Corbyn sworn into the Privy Council today. It was supposed to involve, among other things, kneeling in front of the queen and kissing her hand. All accounts say he never done this, merely standing and brushing his lips on her scaly hand.

However he would have had to take the oath which included the lines, “by Almighty * to be to be a true and faithful servant unto the Queen’s majesty as one of Her Majesty’s Privy Council”. He will also swear to behave “as a faithful and true servant ought to do to her Majesty”.





What do you make of that considering he is a life long Republican? Did he have a choice in the matter, was refusing to kneel enough to keep him true to his principles?


All that oath stuff wouldn't sit well with me, I couldn't do that, then again I'm not leader of the opposition.

 

Corbyn was sitting 2 yards behind me at a talk by a journo about Mexico's drug cartels tonight. A strongly presume he's going to legalise coke when he gets into power to fund a massive rise in government spending. You heard it here first.

 

Sounds good.

 

I agree, but there is always the chance he is trying to not alienate his party by being disrespectful to the monarchy and giving the tabloids yet another excuse to have a go......in which case i admire him swallowing his pride.

The royals are too popular just now with the babies and Williams bint etc.

What i dont really understand is why he had to be involved with this Privy Council.I have googled and wikied it, but still dont really see why it is imperative he partakes.

 

Corbyn's battle against the Blairite scum has begun!!

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...nishes-shadow-cabinet-reshuffle-politics-live

 

What a completely rotten party.That Danczuk * would turn your stomach.

 

The Tories now have a 10% lead over Labour UK wide and the SNP have a 35% lead over Labour in Scotland according to recent polls.

Corbyn's working his magic...

 

They have been rotten for a long time, ever since the "New"Labour the party is full of slimy should be Tory members like Danczuk,Chuka umunna,Hilary Ben,and list goes on.

 

Long may he reign , he is a walking disaster. Heard that he sacked someone for, among other things, being 'disloyal' this from an MP who went against his own party whip something like 300 times.
The irony is spectacular :smiley-laughing002:

 

The 'leader' of the opposition :smiley-laughing002:

Labour reshuffle: Shadow ministers quit in protest

Three Labour MPs have quit the party's front bench in protest at sackings made by Jeremy Corbyn in his reshuffle.
Jonathan Reynolds and Stephen Doughty quit over the sacking of the shadow Europe minister Pat McFadden.
Mr Corbyn fired Mr McFadden over "disloyalty" after he appeared to criticise his stance on terrorism.
Kevan Jones has quit his defence role over Trident after Mr Corbyn replaced pro-nuclear weapons MP Maria Eagle with unilateralist Emily Thornberry.

Shadow foreign secretary Hilary Benn - who also disagrees with Mr Corbyn on key issues - escaped the axe in the shake-up.

He denied he had been "muzzled" by Mr Corbyn, after reportedly agreeing not to publicly criticise the leader's policy positions, saying he would be carrying on with his job "exactly as before".

The only changes in the shadow cabinet see anti-Trident MP Emily Thornberry replacing shadow defence secretary Maria Eagle, who moves to culture to replace sacked Michael Dugher.

In his resignation letter, Mr Reynolds backed comments by Mr McFadden in the aftermath of the Paris terror attacks, which he has blamed for his sacking.
Mr McFadden attacked the response of the Stop the War Coalition, which Mr Corbyn used to chair, to the attacks.

'Distorted' views

He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme Mr Corbyn had told him he thought his comments were "an attack on him and that he had come to the conclusion because of that and one or two other things that I shouldn't continue".

"He clearly feels that me saying terrorists are entirely responsible for their action, that no-one forces anyone to kill innocent people in Paris, to blow up the London Underground, to behead innocent aid workers, that when I say they are entirely responsible for that, he clearly interpreted that as an attack on him," he added.

Mr McDonnell told the BBC there had been "issues about loyalty", saying it was not just about his one statement in the House of Commons.
He told the Today programme Mr McFadden's comments had "played into an agenda which distorted Jeremy's views on how we tackle terrorism".

This had contributed to an "undermining of Jeremy's status", he said.

There had been widespread speculation over the future position of Mr Benn - who backed air strikes in Syria in last month's Commons vote as Mr Corbyn opposed them.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35239232

 

Hillary 'Judas' Benn,the warmongerer,somehow keeps his position

 

How long do yous think Corbyn will last as leader? I don't think he'll make it to 2020 tbh.

 

Not a chance he will last that long, if he does Labour will split in two or he will lose half his MP's. Labour just have lack of credible leaders, the main 3 in the race were just awful. Andy Burnham is just a yes man, he would have made a weak leader. I dislike Cameron but he would have destroyed Burnham to shreds in debate and then you have Liz Kendall who is not popular and again quite weak and then the worst of the lot Yvette Cooper. Corbyn was the best of a very bad bunch yet he's SNP and Tories wet dream because of the way he goes about things and most of all his politics.

 

Aye, you're right. Corbyn won because he stood out from the crowd, has an aura of authenticity (rightly or wrongly) in a time when most politicians don't stand for anything plus the people who follow his kind of politics tend to be committed dyed in the wool fanatics.

Interesting times ahead in British politics.

 

What kind of politics is that ?