Labour Revival?

I actually think that anyone who wanted independence based purely on patriotic feelings is a * idiot. Certainly far more of an idiot than someone who wanted to retain the Union for economic reasons.

 

That's a really good point, never thought about it like that. I always just found it funny.:smiley-laughing002:

 

I think he will do all he can to get Scotland back in Labour hands and I do think some SNP voters will like his views as not every SNP voter wants Independence. I think he will make some ground on SNP but nothing to really stop their dominance. In England I think his style (I hope) will be a breath of fresh air, but long term his views don't really fit in with some working people he's trying to get support from as his views on Immigration won't be shared by the poor but if he was to come more to the center right and came out against the EU as some are suggesting he might then that could gain a lot of supporters in England, but not in Scotland.

I think there is no chance of him being prime minister but that not because of him it's going to take a maybe 15 or more years for Britain to see another Labour government. I am glad see the back of chuka umunna and some of the other awful Labour MP's, all though Tom Watson is another * and pro-Trident who has more power now so he going to face battles in his own party for sure.

 

It's not a mess,seems reasonble imo.We all enjoy certain aspects of British culture.I just don't feel any connection at all to 'Britishness' - that reminds me of the negatives,monarchy etc

I just can't take pride in Empire or any of the leftover posessions.Britain had no right to rule and shape the world in the way they did.I know it seems like a pointless exercise condemning people and events that happened in the past..The big problem for me is that people like Blair,Brown and Cameron still believe in this * given right of Britain's to rampage around the world doing as they see fit.They think Britain ought to be,and still is,a superpower.They suffer from a delusion.

Uh huh.

 

Aye as a debut goes it was pretty uninspiring although it was better that than getting his head handed to him on a plate by Cameron. The 6 questions asked didn't allow for a 'follow up' question, so Cameron was able to bat it straight back at him and turn it round to the importance of the economy which the tories are going to hammer home from now on and they will also bring up the unions as well shortly.

I just found myself looking at Corbyn and he just doesn't look like a leader far less a potential Prime minister , Yes I know substance over image etc.

 

No I totally agree with you. I was thinking the exact same thing as I was watching. He just doesn't look like a Prime Minister(whatever a Prime Minister looks like!). I've felt that all along. I would like to think that we live in a world where substance is more important than style but I'm sage enough to realise that we don't. Image matters, more than it should.

 

Doesn't look like a leader, not at all.

However he has the backing of the people, the normal man. You can tell David Cameron is uncomfortable with this. There was an atmosphere today and Labour sounded like they knew they had popularity, for once in a long while. Something is happening among the people in England and Wales. It will unnerve him and they will try and bring the economy into everything. Will blame Labour again for the next 5 years - will they never stop.

Honestly though, it's a tad exciting. Makes the dull, tiresome bourgeoisie of Westminster seem a bit more grounded - normal, if you will.

He'l probably be pan breed before the next GE anyway, sad but true.

 

The telling thing for me was the report that when Jeremy Corbyn entered the chamber , the Labour back benchers sat in silence . When David Cameron came in the Tories gave him a great reception . I can tell you right now there will be plotters just waiting to wreck his term of Labour Party leadership . It will be cloak and dagger stuff from the right wing of his own party from now until he's removed . Rightly or wrongly !

 

I know it should be substance however, like you, I also live in the real world and he doesn't look the part. He looks like a social worker or a teacher. Whether we like Cameron or not he looks like a PM as did Blair.

It gets even worse for Corbyn, I have just seen an interview and the interviewer asked him about joining the privy council, now that he is the leader of labour and how will he feel about kneeling in front of the queen. Corbyn wasn't even aware he had to do that and said he would need to think about it , the look on his face was like he had just discovered someone had shat in his kettle :smiley-laughing002:

 

http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/indyref-one-year-on/

An interesting blog entry by Phil Mac re Liebour/Scottish Independence referendum result.

 

Guys a *.What the * has it got to do with him, he isnt Scottish.

Another * using the fear word for anyone who disagrees with the en masse sheep that changed their politics over the course of a few years.
If everyone who proclaimed that it was because Labour was too centrist and they moved to SNP because of their left of centre policies, had voted Scottish Socialist when they had the chance, or even Communist....then their argument would stand up, but they didnt, and it doesnt.

Sheep.The only nationalists i respect, and i use the word loosely, are those who have always been nationalist.

PS.Is there anything more embarrassing than a middle aged man trying to look 'trendy' with his hair styled in that wee pointy heid style, à la Beckham?* *.

 

The irony of calling some a sheep for changing a deep/rooted, almost passive political belief isn't lost on me.

You've lost it.

 

I havent lost anything.My politics are my own, and i was anti British Nationalism long before i was anti Scottish nationalism.I am and always have been a supporter of the EU, regardless of the multiple teething problems it has had.
I dont believe in nations, or large nations breaking up into small nations for that matter....unless they have had their freedom majorly compromised.ie, Latvia etc.

PS.I actually witnessed people in here, and in the flesh, changing their politics.I know people who were Labour voters prior to the referendum who were against indy, and who gradually in the buildup to the referendum, were swayed by the momentum of the YES campaign, and now have the audacity to have a go at people who werent swayed, and now point the finger and call those who werent 'converted' cowards and full of fear etc..No, they are not the cowards....the cowards are those who followed like sheep and got caught up in the tide of nasty nationalism that has swept through this country.

All i see now when i see a StAndrews flag in a garden or atop a car, is a Scottish version of an EDL supporter.

 

But you are not anti-British nationalism. You are a British nationalist - at least as much as all these Scottish nationalists you go on about. You support the continuation of the British state.

People changing their politics? :smiley-laughing002: Honestly it's worrying that you think that is somehow a bad thing. The reality is, as I have pointed out numerous times, the Scotish electorate are more politically aware now than at any other point in my life. They have turned away (a few sheep remain admittedly) from a party that they were expected to vote for because their granparents did, towards a party that is more aligned with their political beliefs.

Calling them sheep for doing so, and saying you have no respect for any of them, is just a bitter rambling because the political landscape has changed and you've been left behind.

Labour till I die an all that

 

In what way ?

An EDL supporter, I would personally class as a right wing, anti-anything not white and English.

Are you saying the Yes movement consisted of racism, xenophobia and religious intolerance ?

Regarding your sheep comment. A silly, sweeping generalisation of 1,617,989 people.

Surely that's the whole point of politics. There would be no point in debates etc if people never decided on change. Bet you never complained about the people who switched to voting no based on the scare tactics deployed by Westminster and the media.

 

You are more intelligent than that *.

 

He's perhaps not intelligent enough to spot the irony in calling pro-independence supporters "EDL types" when he began his tirade by saying;

:smiley-laughing002:

 

I didn't want to point that out

 

Ah, MGM hitting out with the bile that the Better Together folk like to spew out.

Disgusts me that I share a country with these *.