Labour Revival?

Aye, he is certainly 'different' to what we are used to!:smiley-laughing002:

 

Do you think they are getting a bit scared he might build up a head of steam especially when the austerity cuts go deeper, they certainly are doing some digging and the smear from not only the Tories but Labour about him is constant

 

I doubt for a second they will let up.He has no backers, or paymasters other than the unions, so in effect, he is a loose cannon!

Independence apart, interesting times ahead.

 

Aye with no paymasters means he doesn't answer to any * apart as you said the Unions, they wont like that one bit but is it enough to sway people back time will tell, but as i said if these cuts by Osborne are anything like expected then people may start seeing him as an alternative to austerity

 

The problem with the cuts is that they only affect those who wont ever vote tory in the first place, and most of those unaffected are too wrapped up in their own lives to give it more than a passing thought.

 

Aye too true far too busy wanting the latest curved telly or smartphone to give a * about people not being able to eat or clothe their kids, and im not just talking about people that are claiming benefits there is a massive gap growing in people working and needing their wages topped up by tax credits, oh thats right Georgey boy abolished that by bringing in the living wage

 

Like it or not,the most ardent 'average joe' Unionists in Scotland are,in many ways,ideologically allied with der hun.

 

I dont know where to begin with that post.Explain in more detail.

 

Well,you're a self-proclaimed Unionist..

If I read through your contribution to the Scottish independence thread,or any thread regarding Britain,the Empire,its military,foreign policy....will I not find that you (as a Unionist cyber-Brit) share many of the exact same views and beliefs that they do?

 

MGM isn't a unionist, he just supports the British Union.

It's entirely different from us who would like to see an independent Scotland, who are of course filthy, divisive nationalists

 

That'll change if he's in a position of any strength come election time. If he is, he'll be needing money to compete with the Conservatives, and he'll be looking to the same corporate masters of the nation that all potential Prime Ministers do.

 

think youve just ruined what i was hoping independance was going to be for us Dhaibi ..... thanks anyway

 

:smiley-laughing002: Sorry about that!

 

That all sounds a bit angry, mate tbf. I support the Union and consider myself British, yet at the same time my family are (non-practicing French Catholic) on my mums side and I've Irish heritage on my dads side. Does that make me an anomaly?
I just think splitting up this country is stupid. I also think the English, by extension British should never have set an angry foot in Ireland, at all. It's never been a part of any incarnation of Britain, Roman or otherwise, and should have remained so.
The mad thing is that most British people are mostly Celtic, the whole of western Europe, up to round about modern Germany and going back to the Iron Age was all Celtic people, from what is now Scotland down to what is now Gibralter. Celtic and Germanic people's made up western and central Eastern Europe respectively up till the Romans started conquering Gaul (France), etc.
So in Britain, apart from a few invasions down the years were all mostly Celtic, with some Italic (Romans), Germanic (Angles/Saxons) and Viking/French (Norman), etc were all incredibly multicultural. Nobody is totally one thing or another, especially at this point in human history.

 

PMQ's just starting on BBC2 now, should be good :icon_mrgreen:

 

It was a bit of a disappointment actually. Wasn't all that impressed with Corbyn's debut and I thought Cameron answered well and outmanoeuvred him. He also got the better of Angus Robertson who asked a question, got an answer from Cameron then proceeded to ask exactly the same question again! Essentially wasting a question. Numpty.

 

Yeah but PMQs has always been the equivalent of hurling insults at someone you don't like school. It's just an excuse for a bit of a craic for the ministers, that's always been my impression anyway, no actual, proper discussion about policy ever occurs. They have a bit of a shout and a laugh then go for lunch. :smiley-laughing002:
It's not really a good way of judging someone in the way we're talking about here, Corbyn is a fine speaker, his first speech as leader was to a trade union meeting and he us very eloquent and straight to the point. PMQs is to debate what Hollywood is to cinema, big, loud, grating and childish.

 

It's not really angry though.

I'm not saying every single Unionist is akin to a hun.

I think it's apparent that there is a prominent element though,who will blindly defend Britain and its representatives.They act as apologists for its military misdeeds,continually downplay its shameful colonial past.They loathe Scottishness,they utterly despise our aspirations for independence.They label us seperatists - often making comparisons with Hitlers *'s.*'s ffs.Many ardent Unionists, like Mygirlmaria,are completely incapable of realising that their fanatical embrace of Britain and Britishness is also a form of nationalism (the bad kind).

I don't have any problem with your thinking splitting up the UK is stupid.I suspect your reasons for rejecting independence were maybe more economical than patriotic?

 

That's true but it's still important nonetheless. I'd guess that most people's only exposure to politics is watching PMQ's, Question Time, Daily Politics or what they read in the papers. Not many people will sit and watch him giving a speech to the TUC. Obviously newspapers can twist things to suit their own agenda but that can't be done with PMQ's. What you see is what happened, what you hear is exactly what was said. So it would do Corbyn no harm to put in a few good early showings at PMQ's. I don't think he pulled it off today.

 

Your right, though elements like that exist everywhere, in every country and creed, it's human nature and it's sad.
I just happen to like being British, appreciate what I have when I look at places like Syria. Also to be fair I find our history amazingly fascinating, yes a lot of bad happens when your building an empire etc but the influence we have in the world is almost totally unique, the U.S., Canada, Australia, N.Z., India etc. it's mind boggling but it's not all bad.
Also, I'm not particularly patriotic or anything, like a flag waving type but I have a sense that our country is a big country with a lot of influence in the world which is kind of great. People go on about that all the time asking 'what is it that makes us British?' it's a bunch of factors like moaning/talking about things like the weather, small talk, saying sorry all the time, eccentric tastes/humour, like Monty Python, Day Today, Brass Eye or The Smell of Reeves and Mortimer :smiley-laughing002:.
Also great bands, writers poets etc, I feel a wee bit of pride thinking about that kind of stuff.
There's good and bad with every society, you know? Nationalist or whatever in every country some worse than others but all extremist to one degree or another. I see myself more just a citizen of the planet more than a country but I do like the country I was born in. This * hard to put into words, sorry if this is a mess! :smiley-laughing002:

Also the financial thing? I see what your getting at but no that wasn't the main reason. But there's another reason anyway now I think of it. Look at Hong Kong, that wouldn't exist at all if it hadn't been built by us, it was literally a bit of beach and palm trees of the coast of China back then, that's cool.