Ki

I`m usually one of his biggest critics but he certainly didn`t do anything to warrant much criticism yesterday. Tried to get on the ball and made a few decent moves but I don`t think he was our best player either as some of you are suggesting. Wouldn`t start him next week, Wanyama and Broony are the men for next week

 

I thought when Ki came on we started to create more and started to take control for the first time in the game. The "empty shirt" accusation is often flung his way for some reason by some fans all of the time. Yesterday there were several players that didn't perform and not scoring more goals than Killy is what cost us the game not just one mistake.

 

That was my take on it also, better to commit the clever foul there and regroup, so IMHO he was at fault for the goal just as much as Wilson.

That said though, in no way shape or form would I blame him for the way the game went for us (I realise this is slightly contradictory, though I'm sure most know what i mean).

Too many players did not turn up for us yesterday, and despite that lapse from Ki, I thought he was decent enough.

 

We immediately started playing better once he was on. How people can find the time to blame him for the defeat when there were at least 6 or 7 more guilty culprits I'll never know.


edit: just realised this is a Dr Venglos thread. Why do I even bother?

 

Ki is a good player on his day, and at his very best he can control a game as well as Kayal. Yesterday he played grand until the moment that counted, when he should have busted a gut to put pressure on Kille.

Story of his life for us, good but inconsistent. He really needs to improve his work rate or he will never be a first pick starter for us.

 

Out of interest Hammer, if you 'fail to see the player that others do', then why are you so convinced 'he will be worth decent money' if we sell him?

If a player is a dud, you are not going to get decent money. Indeed, everyone that has speculated that Ki should be sold has said he will attract decent money - even those that are critical of him. The fact is, if and when Lenny &/or the Board decide it is time to move him on, Ki will attract 'decent money' because he is a good footballer.

 

him matthews and wilson are all equally at fault for the goal. Matthews played a bad pass which ki let go underneath his foot instead of trapping and then did couldn't catch the guy and stop the cross coming in. Wilson didn't even look remotely interested in marking his man. Overall ki wasn't any better or worse than most of the guys on the park who all had a bad day. He came on and helped us keep possession a little bit better after wanyama had been a little bit loose with the ball in the middle but he also hit a few easy balls out of bounds. Can't really criticize him though because our only player who played well was samaras.

 

The Kilmarnock was a matter of feet away from Ki, he showed no awareness to cover him earlier, reacted far too slowly which meant he couldn't get the block in. He was at fault as much as Wilson for the goal.

I think he should start at Ibrox with Wanyama in the middle, Ki gives a better range of passing in the middle and ball retention which will be needed on Sunday.

 

Matthews was beyond ki up the field, he played a bad pass back but it was still a pass that should have been gotten to and trapped.

 

Ki has had better games but come on guys did anyone really play that well yesterday? I don't think so.

Ki is much more effective when he starts a game I think, he struggles to settle when he is brought on later on.

 

Ki is a player that needs time on the ball and lets be honest, when the going gets tough in some games, he is nothing more than an empty shirt. I agree with Hammer here, I would cash in on him this summer. Their seems to be a few clubs willing to spend good money on him. I don`t think he is ever going to be a starter ahead of the likes of Kayal, Ledley, Wanyama, Brown so we might as well get the money for him while we can

 

I really dont like seeing ki get a game i think hes always an empty jersey amd dpesnt work anywer near as hard as the rest of the team. Yesterday being a great example. But i have to admitt before all that he brought some creativity when he came on. But he wont get a game sunday. Hes mowhere mear gpod enough.

 

7 goals from midfield and a number of assists from a player who isn't even a guaranteed starter. Empty jersey is it?

 

I watched it on TV (painfully) when I got home after the match, because I was convinced at the time that the problem arose when Matthews was stuck for ideas on the edge of the box, and tried a lazy and tired cross that was blocked. Just watched it again, and still think that was the case. The same happened a couple of times in each half. The pass a second or two later to Ki imo was outside his path, and Ki was no way able to collect it.

I thought Ki brought composure and ball retention when in possession, and some fight when looking for the ball. The team started to tick with Brown and Ki in midfield and Wanyama at the back. I'd play him at Ibrox.

Anyway, not really sure it's fair to seek to blame one player for an all round average perfomance. You could just as easily point to the lack of supply from wide, or the missed chances. Was on the same flight back to Gatwick as a large number of Killie fans (deep joy!), they were certainly decent enough though, and thought our major problem was, and is, lack of real quality up front.

 

I would start Ki at Ibrox defo.

Came on yesterday and was always looking for the ball trying to make things happen. Gives us composure on the ball that we need in the middle of the park.

 

Just dont think he works hard enough. Just floats around leaving others to do the work. Might get pelters but id play paddy ahead of him everytime. Causes all sorts of problems for defenders. I just really cant see why people think ki is so special. Doesnt do it for me.

 

Did nothing wrong but nothing right.
He wasn't to blame for their goal, Matthews delivering a worse final ball than * Cha to give the ball away, then not tracking back and tackling properly, then the rest of our defence not stopping their attackers getting a head on it.

He should have been more direct though, couple times the ball came to him on the edge of the box, a position where we know he can proper smack it - but no, just like Stokesy and Hooper he * bottled his chances to score.

We need a central midfield player who will just run through everyone and cause mayhem, Commons seems to have forgotten how to do that. Maybe McCourt would have done the job on Sunday, I don't know.

All our midfielders were just playing horizontal passes though, Ki included, no real attempt to play a good through ball to the strikers, couple times I saw Hooper making a run and Broony, Ledley and Ki just never tried to find him. They kept playing the ball into Forest's feet, making him come short, he's a * winger ffs play the ball over the top, give him something to chase so he can get at the opposition.

I want to see Ibrahim, Twardzik, McGeouch or George, one of them very soon tbh because we have no creative central midfielder at all.

 

He was most definately partly to blame for their goal. As a midfielder it is his job to track the runners, which he failed to do.