Ki

I don't rate Ki very highly but even I think the criticism he gets is disproportionate. He's became the new scapegoat since Sammy hit top form.

 

That's probably fair comment.

When you're on the bench though the onus is on you to force your way back into the team. It's not easy to do but when you get a chance to come off the bench you have to play really well and give the manager a reason to put you back in the starting line-up. I don't think Ki does that often enough.

In all fairness, central midfield is probably the strongest area of our squad. Ki is competing against Kayal, Ledley, Wanyama and Brown for a starting spot in the team. All 4 of them are good players so it's going to be hard for Ki to hold down a starting spot in the team in my opinion.

 

As two other members said I was clearly talking about the Kilmarnock because blaming him for the League Cup Final defeat is simply ridiculous in my opinion.

 

Your deduction is bollocks though and only your interpretation based on something I didnt say.

And I do think that Brown is needed when Kayal is out, especially so as when Ki is playing he doesnt have the drive that our midfield needs.

I really have no issue with Ki as a person or a player, but his good games are sporadic. To suggest he hasnt had a run of games is nonsense. He is coming up towards a 100 games for us and yet he is unable to offer any consistency.

I despair when I see his name on the team sheet. Hopefully we will be able to recoup some money for him in the summer.

 

it happens to players all the time, when they arent starting,they find it difficult to regain form, Commons this season, Sammy last season, even Wanyama has been in and out of the team and having consistency issues of late

I'm not gonna sit hear and wax lyrical about Ki's performances of late, but he hasnt even been THAT bad, he missed a couple of chances in the cup, but had a decent game otherwise, had a good game the week before, he hasnt been at his best, but, he's been ok, its just hard to get into that midfield for anyone at the moment, we have to guarenteed starters in ledley and brown, that l;eaves 2 spaces and atleast one of those will be a winger, so theres one space between Ki, Wanyama, Sammy/Forrest and Commons, im not surprised he hasnt managed to force his way in....

i just think the criticism of him is ridiculous, blown way out of proportion, every little error he makes is magnified to the max, just dont think its just.

 

He has alot more good performances than bad wons, and he does more for the team than brown, he has become the new scapegoat because its easy to see the few things he does wrong but people ignore what he does right, the notion that he backs down in tough games has no basis in fact, if anything Ki has been one of our best players in tough games this and last season, he played well in europe and has really been amazing when we play a 5 man mid

 

Think when he plays in his correct position on the park he is a excellent player . Unsure why the * he seems to be getting used wide it's daft would be like Man Utd using Carrick on the wing totally not his game .

 

I have posted your quotes on which my deduction was based. So it is untrue to say they are based on something you didnt say. Maybe I misinterpreted them but I resent you making out I am a liar and your earlier post
" I think you should contact the Daily Record pronto with that type of fabrication."

 

Resent all you like, but you have made me out to say something I did it, so you fabricated something out of nothing. I never called you a liar, but you agree that you misinterpreted what I said.

 

Your probably right about more good performances than bad, but the reality with Ki is that he is usually anonymous in the majority of games he plays in, neither good nor bad.

I dont think he is a scapegoat either, personally I think we havent played as wel this season as we did last and I cant put my finger on why, its not solely down to the fault of any one individual.

I dont agree for a second that Ki has been one of our best players in the tougher games, its these games where we would be looking for a creative spark that he usually disappears in.

And he has contributed little in Europe, unless you mean the games against Sion where he was dreadful.

Coming up to a 100 hundred games now yet still people suggest that he doesnt get a chance or a run of games. His contract is running down now, so the sensible thing to do is sell him and get some finances in.

Its also telling that when all our midfielders are fit, Ki will struggle to start. With Wanyama, Ledley, Commons, Brown, Kayal and even Samaras all fit, Ki is going to, more than likely, be on the bench. Add in McGeough and Forrest then he is the best candidate we have for selling.

 

To fabricate.. Invent or concoct (something), typically with deceitful intent

So I fabricated something out of nothing but I am not a liar. You have excellent logic.

I quoted your post which I used to form my opinion. I do not agree that I misinterpreted what you said. What I said was "Maybe I misinterpreted them".

 

Good *, no. If we persevered with Samaras and did not sell him, why should we sell Ki? We don't need to sell any of the first team, or their immediate replacements anyway.

 

I don't see how I am being biased, any reasonable person would admit that playing with Ki forced the other midfielder to change his game. Its really not that difficult a concept.

 

I am not insinuating in any way that players who do not pull their weight should be exempt from criticism, far from it but it should be done in equal proportion rather than a usual suspect kangaroo court.

There are 11 players on a pitch and if one was continually hampering the level of quality of the others then I do not envisage that his game tally would have reached 10 let alone 100.

Ki does deserve to get it in the neck for the games he did not contribute enough effort in,as does any professional footballer, that goes without saying but he should not be collecting the abuse that should be getting directed elsewhere. People on here who are claiming that he is responsible for the poor performances of his team mates because he was not performing well enough should attend reality check classes.

Honestly??

 

Your ability to check the meaning of fabrication on google is excellent, however, my meaning was that you fabricated a story out of something that I said. It wasnt correct however I wouldnt call you a liar as that is harsh, and I dont think you did, I think you simply , as we agree misinterpreted what I said.

The Daily Record jibe was just that. A wee dig.

Are we cool? :icon_mrgreen:

 

I honestly think he will be sold in the summer. Dont you think it would be madness to keep a squad player who may be able to bring in a couple of £m in a transfer fee?

 

especially when his contract will expire in a years time and we could lose him for nothing, unless he is willing to sign a new deal on the same terms( he hasn't earned anything better) it would be madness to keep him.

 

Your prediction of him being a squad player obviously underestimates some of our confidence in the lad.

I Guess it will be a case of watch this space for us all and see what transpires.

 

I think you must be living in an alternate universe. Ki has had more poor games than good over his 100 games or so here in the last three years.When was the last time you saw Celtic play in the flesh because I don't know how you could honestly make that statement,as Ki has been an absolute passenger in most of the games I have seen him play for us, I dread seeing his name on the team sheet, and I dread seeing him come on as substitute as our game invariably falls apart when Ki is introduced ( Lost 2 Cups in two weeks with Ki playing ).

To say he does a lot more for the team than Brown is just plain stupid.
Our captain Scott Brown,former POTY has held our midfield together for five years now, and has more drive, enthusiasm and power in his pinkie than Ki possesess in his entire game

Ki is not the new scapegoat, that is a cop out for Ki's shocking performances this year, and he has quite rightly come under the microscope of Celtic fans fed up with Ki's inept displays and wretched contribution over the past three years.We have had threads on this forum for the past three years bemoaning Ki's erratic and wayward form and input,

Please tell us what Ki does right because many of us struggle to remember when he last scored a goal, made an assist, got a free kick on target or flighted over a decent corner kick.

Ki you say is one of our best players in tough games is just laughable, the guy is an out and out shitebag, and I bet rival managers rub their hands together in glee, when they see Ki's name on the time sheet.

One of our best players in Europe you say, I remember seeing Ki being horrendous against Sion and in other European games.