Ki Sung-Yueng

I think that's a bit harsh, he made the mistake that put the nail in our coffin in the final leg against Sion but he was far from the worst player on the park against St Johnstone and in the first leg at home to Sion. There was a number of players who performed worst Brown, Maj, Samaras (first leg against Sion only), stokes and Commons.

 

I dont think its harsh. And Im not singling him out. This post is about Ki and he simply didnt play well in the last 3 games. As have most of the team.

There has been an extraordinary amout of hype about Ki this season, the last 3 games have shown that perhaps we need to reign in that expectation a little bit. He is still a young player and he can be a little inconsistent. That is all I am saying. Not saying he is bad or * or whatever. He is a quality player and started the season on fire, but the last 3 games, where we would expect a player that is valued by some fans at £10m+ to perform, he has not met the expectations.

Many others havent either, but they havent been hyped this season the way Ki has.

 

Yeah I understand that this thread is about Ki mate, just making the comparison between other players who should have done more during the games and IMO made less of a contribution than Ki.

I think a lot of fans are in dream land if they think Ki is worth 10 million plus, I think if he went right now we would command a fee of £4-5 million from a EPL team because our league is so poor.

 

Agreed

 

The results midweek would suggest the clubs outside the SPL will probably not consider buying anyone playing here for the time being. No matter how good they are.

 

Agreed this result has embarrassed our league and unless we can give a good account of ourselves if we do get reinstated into the Europa league we could struggle to make good money on our best players.

 

"Stokes didnt deserve to be dropped." and " Lennon may want to consider reverting back to the midfield that played so well from January last season" You say it is "a suggestion" but the implication is more than clear. You think Lennon got it wrong, there's nothing wrong with that - that's what forums are for, so spare me the denials.

Commons was poor against Hibs and didn't look particularly sharp, hence his early removal from the action. Chance after chance? He's had 6 appearances this season and swung between dreadful, poor, uninterested and unfit. Lennon has been furious with his performances so it's of no surprise he was dropped for Thursday - and rightly so.

Throughout this thread I've said Ki was poor on Thursday. I'm not denying that. However you speak of consistency yet are writing Ki off on the back off one game that is universally agreed he was poor. St Johnstone was arguable (plus probable our best player on the day) and the first leg against Sion, again he was our best player, if not to his usual standard.

What you seem to expect is a MOTM performance in every.single.match and when that isn't achieved use it as a beating stick against the positives people write in this thread. Like it or lump it, over the past 10-20 games Ki has been by far our most important central midfielder.

 

I know I said I give up, but your ability to completely ignore anything I say is jarring

 

I dont expect MotM performances in every match, but what I do expect is much better than has been shown over the last 3 games, Ki has been trumpeted as our most creative influence. No goals in 3 games suggests that we are lacking in that area. And Kayal is our most influential midfielder, never more so than when he isnt playing. Thursday night when Ki was needlessly giving the ball away, Kayal, despite not being 100% fit was still giving it his all. You really need to take your head out of the sand on this one. Ki has been poor in the last 3 games. Fact. It clearly hurts you but you need to deal with it.

 

sensible post.

 

Kayal was * on Thursday. Truly dreadful. I think you need to start being a little more objective when praising and criticising players' performances.

 

Kayal was absolutely woeful on thursday whether he was half fit or not, gave the ball away as many times if not more than Ki did, didn't tackle or close down.

Ki also had a very bad game against sion on thursday there, he had a clanger, but thats one game, he was our best player against st.johnstone and the other sion game even though the level wasn't his best, he was still the best of the worst.

The character of the player, why was he the only one on thursday, despite playing badly, who was going to receive the ball, take the ball in in tight spaces and risk losing possession. I didn't see kayal demanding the ball, no he cowered, i didn't see brown demanding the ball, no he cowered, at least Ki wanted the ball and yes he made a very bad mistake but at least he showed some desire to get the ball and create something, no one else in the team showed that desire to do something.

 

As I say, I'll happily accept he was poor on Thursday. I also accept his performances in the 2 games prior are up for debate, something you seem incapable of doing. "Fact" - I mean, where do I start with that?

Now I'm not doubting Kayal's ability. But he missed the last 4 games of the season. Didn't play - the results?

2-0
3-0
4-0
3-0 (Cup final)

Ki was superb, no less so than in the cup final where he grabbed the opener with a stunner.

Going into season 11/12, and immediately after the Hibs game this telling comment from Lennon: "Ki has been consistent over the last 18 months and is developing nicely in to a top class player. He showed all his attributes, good presence, good passing and got a goal."

2-0 (scoring)
1-0
5-1 (outstanding performance)

and now here is the 2 match spell where things get debateable (well, except to you where everything's apprently a FACT)

0-0 (Sion)
0-1

Now, if you can suspend your own reality for a second and take on board that Ki's performance in those 2 games is up for debate. A lot of people think he was the strongest performer in those 2 games, myself included. Let's give that school of thought the benefit of the doubt.

That leaves one undeniably poor game, over the course of the past 10. In Lennon's eyes, probably longer than that even.

You speak of him not providing consistency yet at worst you're criticising one of our best midfielders for one bad game, or at best for 1 bad game and 2 dodgy up-for-debate performances.

Lennon says constistency over 18 months, but of course, you know better

 

Where did I praise anyone for Thursday? I simply said Kayal, who clearly isnt 100% fit gave his all.

Kayal didnt give the ball away for the 3rd goal that Ki did, at a time when we were given a glimmer of hope.

Kayal also didnt give away the free kick that led to the 2nd goal did he? On top of which he looked disinterested and wasteful in possession, on several occasions giving the ball away needlessly. Simply needs to be more consistent.

So if Kayal was *, what did that make Ki's performance?

 

Please take off your Ki tinted glasses eh? He was rotten on Thursday night, poor against St Johnstone and invisible against Sion at home. If you think otherwise then you may have missed the fact that we got nothing out of these games.

Lennon has said he has been consistent for the last 18 months, yet when he came back from Asia in January he wasnt consistent enough to be a started for most of the rest of the season.

Neil also said we were brilliant on Thursday. You should maybe start forming your own opinion instead of just reading our managers comments. Its ok, its a forum, your allowed to do that.

 

I'd sell for anything over £6m

 

You're so absolutely obsessed with money.

 

Ki was also one of the few players who was dangerous going forward and his passing was decent, he was one of our better players in that game which while isnt saying much is more than we can say about kayal and brown

 

Ki has been poor in the last 3 games? Er, yes, the whole team has. Ki was still one of the better players against St Johnstone.

We're lacking from a creative point of view because we don't have good enough strikers. They aren't intelligent enough off the ball. Ki's creative. Paddy too. There's creativity in the side but hey, feel free to have a pop and single out one player.

The tactics have been all wrong too which is stifling the creativity. Pass to full back who'll cross from deep and pray we win the header....

 

This post is solely about Ki and I am happy to criticise all our players over the last 3 games in one way or another.

And being one of the better players against St Johnstone is no praise at all is it?