James McClean Says Irish

Absolute pish.

 

My thoughts exactly :smiley-laughing002:

Only in a select few countries would this even be an issue at all
Imo.

 

It's made the papers :smiley-laughing002:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/james-mcclean-pictured-with-his-back-to-the-british-national-anthem-*-save-the-queen-during-west-brom-friendly-in-south-carolina-10399544.html

 

Why, I know loads of lads who don't give a * about their national anthem

 

What you fail to understand is he is from Derry and the north is still under British rule and GSTQ is shoved down their throats by the Loyalists. So why should he respect and bow to the the flag of what he views as his peoples oppressors?
He's not anti English but the English press have twisted to push that agenda.

 

It's such a * up situation which will never be resolved and nobody is ever going to be totally content.

People crying over McClean saying ''He must respect the country he lives and works in'', have no respect for his own beliefs. It's a massive hypocritical cluster *.

 

you're right, I dont understand it, and a man of convictions is a rare thing these days, but disrespecting the anthem of a country where a foreign player plays I dont think its something Ive ever seen. There are many axes to grind in this world against countries as a whole, imagine if every country and every player started to replicate this behaviour. * knows we are no saints, and having grown up in manchester with irish relatives I sympathise with the irish cause, but I also think having a bit of respect and keeping the forms is the way to do things, particularly if you earn your living there. Just simple civility

I knew no one would agree with me, even in the double standards front that are so common in this forum when anything english is discussed, but thats my opinion. Pish or not, its mine

 

So * why would it matter ?

Why don't folk just ignore it instead of coming out with all this he is living in our country he should respect our flag and our scumbag army pish ?

 

well, for one because hes playing in an english club, earning english money. We could discuss what an anthem represents, I know you dont want to hear this, but every country, even ireland, has a dark history, and many anthems celebrate violence (la marselleise) and moral superiority (the US anthem), but also for many of its citizens it represents the country they're born and the one some they love. Disrespecting the anthem its seen in many countries as a misdemeanor, its not a minor thing that nobody would notice.

My original post though, praised both parties because while Ive never seen such an attitude and for me it wasnt the right one, its one I admire because I admire courage in every small or big form, but I dont think any other country would've stood for his repeated actions the way the english have. It shows a tolerance and diversity that Im proud to see in my country and I know no other country in the world would have. Sure there are nationalistic dickheads that you all give major exposure but the amount of english people whom applauded or didnt condemn his gesture its something you wouldnt see anywhere else. Remember in italy what happened to the korean who scored a goal against them in the WC? can you imagine what would happen in the US if during a NBA game any of players from the recently aggrieved nations by the US would do the same mcclean did? he wouldnt just by fired in the moment, he'd probably end up in jail and his life and career completely destroyed

 

TBH from your first sentence you sound like a Nationalist *. This is complete rubbish as is the suggestion he would have got more abuse in all other countries.

You obviously have no idea or appreciation of the Brits and their recent history in Derry.

 

He will be paying a lot of tax which some of goes to fund the queen.

That's plenty of respect for the auld * Parasite.

 

well, thanks you're not bad yourself.

thats what im talking about double standards, anyway I knew no one would try to argue their point, just the same english= bad, irish=good.

I dont understand in my heart because i didnt live the troubles, but seems to me you dont understand the english at all, even if you live there or are english by birth yourself. This has been a two way street always, and some of you are only willing to see one way. Im trying to see the other way myself, I do, but I dont see the same intent from the other side so any kind of debate or discussion seems impossible.

I have enjoyed the one liners though, so informative!

 

Show me where I have deployed any double standards ?

You are not trying to understand anything but coming out with your stupid "he lives in our country he should think like me" drivel.

It is not a case of Irish good/ Brits bad. It is a matter of any individuals having personal choices and that these should be respected.

 

Isn't the ironic thing that "Britain" fought for the freedom to do this exact thing, wear poppy or not aswell.

 

you're a double standard yourself, I wouldnt know where to start

My problem with him, is hes done it so many times that Im not sure if he dislikes the british government or britain. I have no issue with people disliking my government as not just mine, but every government is dislikeable and should be taken to task, but when a person does this so many times you begin to have the suspicion, rightly or not, that he dislikes the people and country as well.

what I mean is, if you're going to choose such a grand gesture you need to explain it publically. why did he do it? whats his explanation? what are the nuances?

 

James is clearly not a hateful person he just has the balls to do what he thinks is right knowing he'll have to put up with * online from aloada dickheads on twitter with combovers and skinny jeans who couldnt point out Ireland on a map.

I'd do the exact same in that position as an Irish person and my girlfriend is English and I've a ton of relatives in Hattersley, Ashton and Dukinfield so you cant say you know he hates English people on this evidence.

 

I could be wrong but Im sure I read an article, posted on here/the forum by him, explaining his reasons/thoughts on the whole subject. Am sure someone will have it and post it shortly.

 

He wrote a letter to the Wigan chairman and fans.

 

While the latest fuss doesn't surprise me, what baffles me about some people here -I'm English and live in England- who are making a big fuss about him not singing GSTQ, never seemed to make much fuss about the likes of Cascarino, Townsend et al not singing the Irish anthem.

 

Im not saying he hates english people, I dont know the guy, but I can't say his repeated protests against the country he earns his living in fills me with confidence.

his wigan letter was clearly not written by him but by some advisor or manager or whoever. In anycase nobody really bought it because it didnt feel genuine.

Look, if I came here and said I hate ginger people, I'd be asked why and rightly so. If I made a demonstration out of my hatred for ginger people, again Id be asked to provide my reasons for such a thing (given that im ginger myself it'd be quite a difficult thing to do). If he had said in his own words in an interview, if he had explained in any number of ways available in the media in today's world, personally I'd be happy with this answer because I feel hes stuck by his guns, and the british government has been to blame for a million bad things. I wouldnt find it tactful or classy or think it'd be repeated anywhere else, but Id defend his right to do it against anyone else.

As it is I'm not sure either way, but Im not too bothered other than to point out the double standards people use, because I hate hypocrisy, and personally I can't imagine such a public demonstration being accepted in most countries.

Hope he keeps his place and someday he explains this issue in depth. This is something he feels very strongly about so it shouldnt be too difficult to provide a rational explanation that would make us understand, if his gripe is just with the british government or if he hates the country where he works