James Forrest

You don't happen to sit in area 440 do you by any chance? A guy there gets apoplectic every time Jamesie starts or comes on. Guy is a celtic legend. End of.

 

I feel sorry for Forrest as I actually think he could be an effective of the bench for 20 minutes against tired legs player for us even at 34. He can create things and also if you have a lead can keep the ball well.

However there is no way he should be a starter for us now. His lack of ability to beat a man last night was shockingly exposed.

 

He was like Messi in his prime the opening day against St Mirren off the bench, we just fed him the ball and he went at * probably 6/7 times and was making things happen.

Then we went "lets start him every week" but he can only really go hard like that knowing he's only going to be on 30 minutes.

Now we have him knocking his pan in from box to box, and then pass a ball to him wanting him to run 30 yards and beat 2 men.

 

I haven't even said anything relatively bad about him. I just pointed out that I think he's been lucky to remain a starting Celtic winger for as long as he has had and pointed out some rather underwhelming statistics on his goals return in Glasgow derbies and European football proper?

I wouldn't call a winger who has the same number of derby goals as Greg Taylor a Celtic legend personally. If we are setting the bar there then it's a very low base. Is Tony Ralston a Celtic legend?

 

2016-2019 - Very good
2009-2015 & 2020-2025 - Bang average

 

Whit

 

Stop repeating stats.

Your opinion isn’t the problem, it’s the way you go about it. Who the * debating Forrest’s career? You’re arguing with nobody, nobody is interested. The guy is a club hero and he will be remembered far longer than the players you listed who had a better season or two while they were here. You have absolutely no idea what bids or offers we had for him. You cherry pick stats and moments to fit your argument, you make up hypotheticals and use speculation and present it as fact.

Stop doing it. You’ve done it for Scales and it’s tiring. You have no interest in other views, because you just don’t reply when your point has been rubbished. You’ve done it twice with me now, all keen until you’ve been made to look silly.

I haven’t “resorted” to abuse. I abused you from the beginning because I think you’re toxic to this forum and bring nothing. You’re the definition of a troll.

 

I will keep substantiating my opinions with hard facts and you will keep resorting to infantile abuse.

That's where we are in this matter. You lack the intelligence, civility and humility to have a discussion on this so walk away as you're behaving like an 8 year old.

You are a petulant child and incapable of debating in a mature and civil manner so why don't you take your petted lip off with you and stop engaging me. If I'm a troll then why are you interacting with me? There is a severe lack of common sense and rationale in every contribution of yours.

 

“Hard facts.” That you called opinions.

You’re all over the place. I’m not that intelligent. Neither is anyone who brings that up in a football forum. However, you’re not worth debating and that’s what this comes down to.

Surely you’re not that thick? As I said. Troll or Hun.

You can question Forrest’s goal contribution numbers in big games, you can’t question his status as a club legend.

 

No they are hard facts. You haven't contended them.

Is there another goal, other than the one mentioned against Lazio, that Forrest has scored from play in a European competition proper during his 17 years at the club? I'm all ears. If you can't contend that then it is a hard fact.

Is there another goal other than the late winner he got against Rangers at Celtic Park under Lennon or the goal in the 5-0 romp under Rodgers that he has got against Rangers? Again I'm all ears. If not it's another cold hard fact you want to dismiss.

These are points of fact and you think mentioning this is slander. For some reason you get abusive when people stick to the facts.

How and why is Forrest a club legend? Because he's won lots of trophies? Is Ralston a club legend? Is Greg Taylor?

Forrest has been a decent player for Celtic but the bar is very low if we consider him a legend. His avg output in terms of goals in way behind loads of other wingers we've had. Way behind.

 

See the thing with stats are they can be very misleading. There isn't a stat for players coming off the bench and making a run or a tackle or anything really, that changes the whole dynamic of a game. Imo Jamesie IS a celtic legend. You can debate that and bring up all kinda stats all day long. You can't say that a guy who has had consistent starts under some very good managers can be extremely brainless and has been a lucky starter and then say you haven't said anything relatively bad about him.

 

There isn't a stat either for a winger making a pointless run from the right touchline to the left touchline in a lateral manner but I'm sure if there was Forrest would be top of it.

I think it's more an indication of the lack of good competition Forrest had in the time.

Who were our best right wingers from 2010 to 2019?

Paddy Roberts? Anyone else?

 

Who’s contending numbers dumb dumb. We are contending the fact you don’t think he’s a club legend.

If you think stats, especially goals and assists are the only measurements of a player then you’re dafter than I thought.

You’ve simplified football into this thing where you look at a chart and you think you know what you’re talking about. It’s hilarious.

 

You are. You are calling them opinions when they are facts. The irony of a guy like you who can resort to constructive, substantiated posts with terms like dumb dumb is lost on you.

I've used stats to support my views which I've explained. You just resort to telling people to shut up and abuse. You just come across as a very person with a mega chip on your shoulder. You are very insecure when you come up against me. You know you are going to get found out.

 

Who’s calling the amount of goals he scored an opinion

If I was insecure I wouldn’t entertain you. I responded to you because you were belittling Forrests career. You’ve used cherry picked stats to back it up. You’ve used speculation and hypotheticals. You’ve compared his numbers over an entire career, to the numbers of Jota etc who have 1/2/3 seasons.

Everyone else uses their eyes, their ability to recall memories and the way Forrest has made us feel as a Celtic player. We’ve used his longevity and the numbers over his entire career. We’ve used the fact he’s been a part of some of the best Celtic teams in history, achieving things that will never be done again. We’ve used the fact there’s more to being a winger than goals and assists… even though his career numbers are good.

These are things that you will never be able to understand.

 

You did. I said they were facts you said they were opinions. You still haven't told me if you think 1 goal from in European competitions proper and 2 goals in derby games is an acceptable output for a Celtic mainstay winger over 17 years. I think it's way below what we should expect. You don't want to use independent stats to assess these things and anyone who has a different view to you, you hurl abuse at and accuse them or talking nonsense.

Goals in European football and Derby games are pertinent no. The only cherry picking here seems to be by you. You don't want stats because they expose how weak your argument is and you last out when confronted on it.

You behave like an infant.

 

Show me where that was said?

This is where the sponsored silence will start, since you’ve been caught lying again.

I don’t think it’s good enough. But there’s more to being a winger than goals and it doesn’t change the fact he’s a club legend.

You’re well within your right to not consider him a legend. But don’t tell other people he isn’t and compare him to Taylor or Ralston. If you’re such an intellectual, act like it.

 

Totally agree he is at the stage of his career where he can be an effective impact sub against tiring opposition he can come on and show his experience and quality. Whether we need a goal or are looking to see a game out.

When he is up against fresh players got a full game to navigate it’s no good.