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  1. Slaw

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    I personally was brought up Catholic but am totally non religious now. There's no way I'd baptise my child unless my other half was very adamant that that's what she wanted, then I'd perhaps consider it.
     
  2. Sean Daleer Ten Thirty Gold Member

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    Sorry for being away so long. My Son decided to grace me with his presence earlier and it's such a rare occurence that everybody else took a back seat. :smiley-laughing002:

    I'll try and go through the relevant replies as best I can. Apologies if i miss you out.

    This was my whole thinking behind it. I don't believe myself but I recognise that the upbringing I had helped shape me into a decent human being, I also never felt coerced or forced into continuing those beliefs so didn't feel guilty imparting that onto my Daughter.
     
  3. kieranc

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    I reckon the majority of people Christened nowadays is down to tradition rather than believing in *, Jesus and the rest. In fact, only one person I know has been Christened (aged 34) due to believing in the Catholic faith, the rest have been down to pure tradition.
     
  4. Sean Daleer Ten Thirty Gold Member

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    Apologies for culling 95% of your post North, but I was really interested in that first snippet of your post.

    I did it so that she could be brought up in the Catholic faith, something which I believe gave me a good grounding in life. I wanted the same for my child, if she grows up and decides she wants to continue serving the church then I will respect that, but if she takes the same path as me then at least she will have had the same choices I had to make and I don't think they done me any harm.

    Is it not better to have the chance to accept another into the flock even though the parent might not hold the same beliefs rather than the parent not giving the child the chance to experience what he did just because he doesn't believe any more?

    I'm very * conflicted about this, I keep typing things then disagreeing with myself.

    I think I need confession :smiley-laughing002:
     
  5. Sean Daleer Ten Thirty Gold Member

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    Do Protestants get confirmed?
     
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    Is that a "yes" then? :shamrock:
     
  7. Sean Daleer Ten Thirty Gold Member

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    I have to say as well, both my boys were the Godparents even though both of them don't care much for religion either. However the chance to make them guardians of their little sister who they adore was very satisfying.

    They really felt a sense of pride in that.

    I'm such a selfish *, I really need confession. :smiley-laughing002:
     
  8. trip2themoon Concomitant Allez-Vous?

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    When my sister and her man got married they moved to Erskine. They then decided to have my niece christened at the local Catholic church. I watched her lie to a priest's face about how they were at mass every Sunday. Gave her a good slagging about that and how she'll be going to the bad fire for bullshitting the priest like that. Apart from the 2 christening for my niece and nephew I don't think they've been near the church.



    Yesterday 2 people I work with had a godless heretic's version of a christening called a naming ceremony you could go for something like that. The funny thing about the event being non religious is that the wee guy has a very biblical name. I would have went with the name he got as his middle name.
     
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    * you! Snipping my post, *. I'm not talking to you anymore.















    Okay, go on then. :icon_mrgreen:

    And I also said that I think there is a reasonable hope that you'll have the child raised a Roman Catholic, albeit imperfectly. By that I mean I don't quite know if you intend to get her to Mass every Sunday. Which, as you know, you should be doing! :smiley-laughing002: I'm sorry, I'm just a bit confused by what you intend to do now. Are you going to send her to a Catholic primary and high school? A lot of parents do, because they think they'll get a Catholic education. Which is a load of *, to be honest. The state of Catholic schools in Britain is atrocious. None of them are worth the name anymore. Parents need to take an even greater hand in things.

    I'm not as much worried about your intentions because I know that, although you yourself can't quite connect with the Church and religion anymore, you don't want to rob your daughter of that chance. So I think that your intial choice of having her baptized was well intentioned, I'm just concerned about the follow-through. Because she's baptized, things are entirely different. As I said, she has received the exaulted dignity of participating in *'s inner-life. And you now have an obligation to safe-guard that and to assure she gets a good Catholic education, which goes beyond just sending her to Catholic school. * mate, I'm just repeating myself now, aren't I? :smiley-laughing002:

    Alright, I'm not trying to be a * who's telling you how to raise your children. I'm 22 and spent half of this past summer trying to strangle my fiancée's younger siblings because they're all annoying little beasts. Angels the other half. :icon_mrgreen: I don't know what it's like to be a parent yet, and I have tremendous amount of respect for everyone that's trying to raise little peoples. But if you want to give your daughter and other children what you feel you can't have right now, then I'm just trying to say, in a softer and round-a-bout way, that you need to step up to the plate and make sure it's done right. Don't hit me. :smiley-laughing002:

    Do you live in Glasgow?
     
  10. Sean Daleer Ten Thirty Gold Member

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    Not only the Catholic Church but also a greater understanding of other faiths. RE was extremely varied in my school and gave me an insight into how others lived their lives. That is important to me, an understanding of things that affect 80% of the world gives people a far better understanding of what is going on around them.

    Theology is an important thing to teach kids, whether you like it or not it makes this world tick and the sooner we can educate kids at a young age the positives of each religion then the sooner they have a greater understanding of those around them who may seem different on the surface but in actual fact are just like you and I.

    It's not to ridicule but to understand.
     
  11. Sean Daleer Ten Thirty Gold Member

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    That's probably the least sincere you have ever been.

    Entertaining though.
     
  12. TIM O'Brien

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    Not weird at all... Lots of people do it just for the party afterwards!:icon_mrgreen:
     
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    I was entirely sincere in my post. I tried to couch it in terms I thought would be less stark, so I'll try another approach.

    You wish to have her experience a Catholic upbringing. Well how Catholic do you want it to actually be? Father's going to tell her that x or y or z is a sin, and that it's bad. But what if you don't believe x or y or z is a sin? Do you tell her Father's a liar? What about the fact that as a baptized Catholic she'll have to fast and abstain from meat on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday? Will you let her know this and help her? Are you going to take her to Mass on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation? Or at the very least inform her of her duty to do so according to the Church and not obstruct her from observing it if it's her choice?

    What part of Catholicism is it you want her to have? You say that Catholicism has good things to it, and that it can help people and can be a moral guiding light in life. But is that Catholicism stripped of everything, well, Catholic? Feeding the poor is pretty much a universal good taught by religion. So why not have her raised a Muslim? A humanist upbringing could provide as much as that. The Catholic religion offers so much more, though, it offers realities and hopes that are supernatural. And she is participating in that now. But you also have an obligation before * and to her, to help her be a good Catholic.

    I swear before * almighty that I don't doubt your intentions, or rather you're necessarily doing anything wrong. I'm probably not saying any of this right, I'm just trying to underscore the importance of the continual formation in the faith that she as a Catholic needs and has a right to. I'm not doubting that you could do it if you wish, I just wonder if it's what you wish.

    Saint Mungo's has daily anonymous confessions, by the way...
     
  14. Celticswede

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    Aye, in Sweden at least they do. It's done a bit later than Catholicism here though. Usually when you're 14-15 years old.
     
  15. Gabriel Beidh an lá linn Gold Member

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    I assume both your boys were baptised as they became godparents. Not baptising your daughter would deny her an opportunity you gave them. The main thing is you can bring her up in the one true faith...Celtic
     
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    Am the same as Sean brought up staunch catholic,alter boy as well, still remember getting marched hand in hand to chapel in primary school ,anybody remember or knew the lane from st martins school to the chapel behind Mitchell hill flats in castlemilk will know what I mean :56: only when I got older that a started to realise that this religion was not for me

    I did get married in a Catholic Church with my wife having to do a 6 week crash course
    Till this day not sure why I done this

    Both my kids have not been baptised and till this day I cant remember if they have been in a chapel ,church or any house of worship for that matter

    It's really up to them what they want to do no doubt if they could be baptised at a later date if they want but right now in life this does not concern me

    If I did not leave Glasgow who knows what might have happened but the Catholic Church in South Africa was a bit too happy clappy for me ,this put me right off

    Still believe in * but you will never get me in a chapel again.
     
  17. Clint Eastwood The Good Bad and Ugly of TC

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    Any chance to get some free water poured over you, is a chance worth taking.

    I'd consider it a bit weird..... unless people give you drink/money/gifts etc afterwards then it's a very clever idea!
     
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    Many people do it Sean, I don't see anything wrong with it, your daughter can make up her own mind when she is older if it's for her or not.....don't see what harm it will do.
     
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    Some do, depends on which of the thousands of Protestant churches you belong to
     
  20. evilbunny1991

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    I was brought up a Catholic and went to Catholic school the vast majority of my school life, i believe its made me a better person. I as well do not really believe anymore, i went to mass out of respect for my parents, for which one believes in *.

    Since getting older and leaving the house i no longer go to mass apart from Christmas time when im back home for Christmas day. I don't see the problem in getting your daughter baptised, if i ever have children i think i would do the same thing and provide them with a similar education but let them decide when they are older and in senior school what they want.