Is Anyone Else Getting Fed Up With The Conspiracy Nonsense?

Well, you and I disagree on what makes a bigot. If someone sent me an email containing a joke about Protestants, Muslims, Jews I would call them a bigot. Thankfully I don't know anyone who thinks it's funny to make bigoted jokes.

You and I both know I don't have any answers to any of those questions (why would I?). Want me to tell you how Campbell Ogilvie arranges his sock drawer while im at it? It doesn't make me any less capable of looking at the weight of evidence which proves the cheating and deciding I believe we have been cheated.

Again I say that if it was simply a few individuals with a natural bias then why isn't there a massive collection of evidence showing these sort of incidents happening at EVERY club? Surely there would at least be a similar amount of obvious incidents happening to Rangers since they are the other 'big club'? There isn't. If we haven't been cheated then show me the evidence which says "it's not ONLY Celtic" it's everyone equally.

 

I've always said this. This is just too BLATANT to be a conspiracy.

But that article was a great read.
Basically Minty Murray was the original Craigy "Agent" Whyte?

Brilliant

Oh the HUNS ARE GOING BUST!!!!!!!

 

Sween, do you believe George peat, Jim Farry, Gordon Smith, Campbell Ogilvir and the like are massive Huns?

 

As regards the bigot thing we will need to agree to disagree. Personally I wouldnt think twice about sending a funny joke based on religion, gender, race, nationality, etc (my own included). Likewise most people I know would happily forward my these type of things, especially if they are targeting my own religion, gender, race, nationality, etc. Guess it just depends on what you view "bigotry" to be. But anyhow...

I appreciate you dont know (nor do I) how a secret conspiracy is ran - as it is secret of course. Im just trying to get an idea on how they would go about preserving this targeting of celtic over such a long period? Surely you do not believe every official in the country is a rangers fan, or a celtic hater? And if they are then that means they are being hand picked. My central gripe with this whole theory is simply why are they so bad at conspiring! Why to we benefit from big decisions as well when it would be easier not to give us benefit of the doubt (offside goal against hearts is the perfect example).

As regards incidents happening at every club, the problem is that outwith celtic and rangers, the media attention on other clubs in Scotland is near zero. If the most ridiculous bias was going on in the first division the vast majority of people wouldnt know anything about it as noone wants to read about dodgy refereeing in the first division.

But amongst the SPL clubs there are plenty of conspiracy theories - not just Celtic fans. We have had the chairman of hearts claim a "mafia" conspiracy (granted he is mental), the chairman and manager of dundee utd claim a pro-old firm conspiracy, the manager of ICT claim league officials are trying to get them out of the league. The majority of non-old firm fans regularly bemoan that celtic and rangers "get all the decisions" (I havent heard one moan that ONLY rangers get all the decisions). I have several hearts and hibs supporting friends who regularly go on about a "west coast conspiracy". It is all nonsense to me.

Going further afield I have a Liverpool friend who is utterly convinced that Man Utd get all the decisions, while my old newcastle flatmate knew for "a fact" that there was a bias towards the southern teams in England (probably every team south of newcastle).

The celtic conspiracy is just one of many. They cant all be right but funnily enough every person to a man who believes in any one of these happens to support the team who is being screwed. Human nature I guess.

 

If I were to guess Id say dont know, yes, rangers fan maybe but not "massive hun", yes, in respective order.

 

Campbell Ogilvie who was a massive part of a Sectarian signing policy for how long a rangers fan but not a 'massive Hun'? Do you believe it's right that he is a massive decision maker in Scottish Football? Can you give me a list of names that have been involved in the positions of the 4 I mentioned that are pro-Celtic or pro any club apart from the scum?

Do you believe that human nature tends to lean towards being more leniant on the things you love/like?

 

I know someone who works at the SFA Head Office (not mentioning names so don't ask) who told me there were "a few " Celtic fans at the office, but "most people and especially the big guns" were mainly Rangers fans.

 

@Sween: If the only reason we know about the suggested anti-Celtic, Catholic and Irish bias is because we are a big club and make headlines then why haven't we heard about the refs that cheat Rangers? What about the pro-Celtic bias in the SFA? There is no evidence of it because it doesn't exist not because Rangers aren't big enough to make headlines, they are. I firmly believe even if Inverness had experienced half the things Celtic have we would know all about it. It's nothing to do with being a 'big club'. That just sounds like an excuse tbh.

As for all clubs thinking they experience bias. In sure they do, but do you honestly think they have the raft of evidence like we do that the SFA (and Scottish media) have shown EXTREME bias towards one club in this country?

Celtic are more than a club and I firmly believe that Celtic's Irish Catholic roots has played a HUGE part in decades of cheating and propaganda. Not the only reason, but a massive part of it. It's not just a football thing, it's political and that fact lends a lot more weight to the belief that Celtic are cheated compared to the fans of other clubs you mentioned complaining of decisions against them. Irish Catholics have long suffered prejudice in Glasgow, why on Earth would football be any different? Unless you believe Irish Catholics haven't suffered racism in Scotland?

 

I agreed with you. I think he is most probably a "massive hun".

@Ache

I agree that over the course of our history it is certainly more likely than not that the bigotry/racism in Glasgow would have manifested into bias against Celtic. As you say - why wouldnt it. It would be more surprising if it didnt than if it did, seeing as it was so widerspread.

But nowadays I dont see it. And I see no reason to assume it exists in football. Again, maybe the odd individual as you will always get the odd bigot or racist in any organisation. But not to the extent of a organised conspiracy.

Celtic are not only more than a club in a social sense. We are more than a club in a financial and economic sense. We are a global brand PLC. Leaving aside the actual football we are talking about a corruption scandal impacting a ftse floated company that is worth millions and millions of pounds. There may be bias. There may be people who just dislike Neil Lennons face. But we are talking about a "conspiracy" and I do not accept the fuckwits in charge of our game (and every official is Scotland) are capable of secretly conspiring against anyone.

And again, I cannot get away from the statistics (I like statistics). Last season we had more penalties in the league than anyone else and the 2nd fewest given against us (rangers had twice as many given against them). In 2009/10 we had more than anyone. Year before that rangers had twice as many as we did, and year before that we had exact same while Hibs had more than both teams put together. If you look at our card count, we are in the middle of the table the last couple of seasons while rangers have been either side of us.

This is just a crass example of course but to repeat my earlier point. If there is a massive conspiracy against us, they dont seem to be very good at it! (or maybe they are THAT good at it...)

 

What about the rest of my post? Do you agree?

 

Naw. It was a load of *. :icon_mrgreen:

 

So's your face

 

:frilly:

 

To be honest I couldnt give you a list as I dont know enough senior league officials outwith who we have discussed to compile a list!

I am sure there are people (even honest people) who run the league and have a preference to a team. And if most of these people support rangers then of course they may have a bias towards them. Even if they arent trying to be biased, as you say they might well have a "leaning". I get that and as I said earlier I am not saying there isnt bias in football.

What I am saying is there there is a huge jump to go from that to an active conspiracy out to get one team and benefit another over the course of generations. And when we are talking about "conspiracy" it always comes down to refereeing decisions and as mentioned this just isnt backed up with the numbers in any way.

 

It is definitely backed up by the figures. As we speak Rangers go a goal up from a free kick where the commentators say 'I don't know what it was given for'

It's from the top down, definitely. Jobs for the boys, always has been hopefully it won't always be like that.

 

@Sween: you say you don't see 'widespread' bigotry and racism in today's society or indeed in Scottish football? Are you serious? That's a genuine question btw because I'm not sure.

If I'm to assume you are serious, I take it you didn't see any of the banners at the last Old Firm telling Irish immigrants to "go home"? You must also be unaware of a song called 'The Famine Song'. It's sung by tens of thousands of modern day Scots and is a blatantly racist and bigoted song. If that's not a widespread prevalence I honestly don't know what is.

To assume a society that puts up with such things doesn't naturally see these racist sentiments spread to every other part of every day Scottish life is utterly insane and blinkered. It honestly just seems like an excuse again to try to deny it. It's clear as day.

 

Probably another topic for another thread but I have never seen it nor experienced it in my life outside the silly tribalism that goes with old firm games. I dont think of rangers fans singing a song to wind up celtic fans as an example of "widespread" sentiment in our country. Otherwise we would be a country made up 50% of queen loving red-hand unionists, and 50% republican Irishmen. And we arent. No doubt racism exists but it doesnt strike me as "widespread" else I think I, or my family, or my friends, would have come across it. But then again I have never lived on the west coast so I dont know how things are there. Guess it depends on your definition of "widespread" and what you consider "racist".

Im not denying it as such. I just havent experienced it, dont know anyone who has, so it is hard for me to have much of an opinion. As I say, another debate for another day I guess.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9rE8nzObYu4

Can't have Whittaker suspended for Celtic Park, can we?!

Another dodgy decision to add to the ever-growing list.

 

..... blatant as anything.

 

Calum Murray again. The man's a shitehouse.