Is Anyone Else Getting Fed Up With The Conspiracy Nonsense?

Does the fact that match officials have twice been caught out lying to/about Neil Lennon mean nothing to you?

We have actual proof that this has happened. Wake up for goodness sake.

 

ach he, like a few others on here, seem to just enjoy disagreeing with absolutely everyone else. They go as far as backing referee's and the huns in order to criticise our own, one even using the 'always cheated, never defeated' hun slogan. It's embarrassing but they seem to get a kick out of it...

 

Actually beginning to think some of the folk in denial never read this thread or any of the facts. They just drop in, say something which is false or regurgitate some vacuous lightweight media rhetoric then * off as they realise they don't have a leg to stand on.

 

Beggars belief that some Celtic fans and the entire media cannot even contemplate the notion that an entity cannot win or be successful whilst the victim of cheating.

To answer the overall question. I ask;

How can you get fed up with the pursuit of truth?

 

It's a complete nonsense get out. A paltry attempt at denying decades of obvious and widely accepted bias and cheating. I can scarcely believe that someone who puts forward the argument that we have been successful therefore definitively not cheated believes it themselves, that's how weak a point it is.

 

Why dont celtic just prove it if it is that obvious. Not "prove it" in the sense of fans moaning or complaining about soft decisons after any one game. But actually pay researchers and quant analysts to look over the last say 20 years of refereeing decisions. Look at the number of penalties, offsides, red cards, etc, we get for and against and compare then against every other team in scotland. Going even further relate it to average possession, time spent in the attacking third, time defending,etc, and maybe even comparable teams in foreign leagues. It isnt an exact science of course but if the corruption is that obvious it is sure to be highlighted in numbers.

Of course you will get statistical outliers over a few games or even a season, but any corruption/bias/conspiracy will stick out like a sore thumb to quant guys running numbers over a lengthy period of 20 years or even longer.

Then after we have compiled the evidence, why not publish it openly for all to see and take the case to UEFA as well and the criminal courts. Even if it rejected, at least then there are hard numbers that might at least suggest they conspiracy theories are founded.

This will take a while of course but celtic are a massive publicly traded company. We have the resources and we no doubt have the lawyers. If such conspiracies are correct leaving aside the actual footballing aspect, the league is actively defrauding fans from all clubs, and should be charged accordingly.

I wonder why having suffered for so many years under this grand conspiracy, not one person has thought to compile numbers to prove this?

 

Just bored with all the extra-football merrygoround surrounding Lenny. A lot of it is not his fault but at times he lacks wisdom about he way he conducts himself. I would rather he was more like Tommy Burns or Billy McNeil who were very composed.

 

pictures would disagree with you on that one

 

agree , but he has to deal with so much * in football and out of it, i think its a disgrace that managers cannot vent their feelings towards decisions and not land in hot water resulting in touchline bans, if a player does it he will get a yellow card at most or nothing at all, they should be looking down the lines of carding managers rather than complete bans.

Also why is it if a player is wrong, he is sent off or carded, if a manager makes a mistake, he is banned etc, but if a ref clearly * up a game why is their no action taken against them ??

Even the totenham game last week, the first thing the ref did was hold up his hands and apoligise after the game to Redknapp and that was it case closed, nothing like that will ever happen in this country because the SFA are corrupt to the core and cant be seen to take action against "One Of Their Own"

Whole thing stinks to high heaven.

 

thats what annoys me the most the fact that it was only last week the head of the sfa was saying ref appointments were based off of performance. if this was the case how the * did euan norris and gollum mange to get a semi final and a final to ref and the the following weeks be in charge of spl games after shocking performances it just doesn't make sense

 

I agree with you in as much as I wish all the off field stuff surrounding Neil Lennon would just die down and the man could be allowed to get on with doing his job, like any normal football manager.

That said, I really can't find it in my heart to blame Neil Lennon for the way he reacts to certain things. If I was football manager and I knew that officials were telling me lies, and telling lies about my matchday conduct, then I wouldn't trust the * as far as I could throw them either. And I would most certainly react in the same way as Neil Lennon if my team was on the receiving end of decisions like the one we witnessed last Sunday.

Neil Lennon will undoubtedly calm down as he gets older and gains more experience in the managerial game. The SFA and match officials need to do their part too though and get their * act together.

 

This is all to do with money, read some of the recent posts in the rankers thread, to summarize, hbos has nearly all the spl teams in pocket via debt, Minty and rankers owe them an astronomical amount compared to everyone else, theyre only gettin their bonuses if rankers/minty pay so they HAVE to be in europe, bears get bored with domination and stop showing up, they need a strong Celtic to get the hatred/scum back to ipox but just dont let us win. Behind the scenes ebt here, funny handshake there.............
It WILL come out, possibly via the fraud investigation going on now involving Minty, his hbos friends etc

 

COURTESY OF HOOPSWITHPRIDE.

conspiracy or fact??? you be the judge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Another long piece, but stick with it. Interesting read in regards to the banks involvement in Rangers and why Minty was so willing to let go of his beloved Rangers for £1.

http://www.talkceltic.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2871402&postcount=50936

 

All these doubting Tims must hate it when evidence like this is produced.

 

Well, that was quite a read.

 

Why don't they just prove it? I suppose you think they don't because there's nothing to prove? I haven't got a clue why they don't. I'd be fully behind such an idea and would welcome it wholeheartedly.

Celtic have hired professionals to "prove it" before though. The psychologist who came to the conclusion that Hugh Dallas was guilty of showing bias to Rangers and Paul McBride who exposed the SFA on more than one occasion and said he believed the SFA was a biased organisation. But they were probably just paranoid Tims. It's not like Mr Dallas was ever shown to be an anti-Catholic bigot.......was it?

If you don't mind me asking, did you feel Mr Dallas' performances in Old Firm games were non-biased? Did you say he was being fair at the time? Did you ridicule people who questioned his performances against Celtic? Did you have no doubt he was a fair minded referee just doing a job?

 

Can people stop calling it a conspiracy because conspiracies are secret and underground.

The anti-Celtic rules, conduct, lies and cheating by the Scottish establishment however is like the illuminati - everyone * knows about it.

 

Probably cos people like you would still say it was just paranoia, after all you haven't exactly listened to any of the evidence put in front of you. Show me incidents where other teams have proven that they've been cheated. Jim Farry, Dallas in 1999, Dougie Dougie-gate and this latest case are all evidence of cheating against Celtic. The blind-eye turned to EBTs, as has been proven to have occured within the SFA, allowing double contracts etc to exist whilst Campbell Ogilvie (please tell me you aren't going to claim he is impartial) remains in his role at the SFA. a journalist from England, having been investigating it for a couple of months, has already proven an inherent pro-Rangers support within the SFA - clearly a conflict of interests which would have most effect on their rivals. How about refs like Tiny Wharton? Do you think that Jock Stein is some paranoid idiot? After all, he has worked both against and with the SFA and stated it existed. It is well-known that anti-catholicism is basic canteen humour at the SFA, proven again with Hugh Dallas' e-mail. You keep hiding behind the idea that Celtic should just employ a statician - what would a statician prove that isn't already known? Celtic have proven on a number of occasions that the SFA have been biased against them. The referee's are employed by the SFA and the SFA still employ the men who have been proven of this cheating. Why is that so hard to believe? People like Jimmy Johnstone only receiving 23 caps for his country

Have a wee look through this: http://itcantbeparanoia.blogspot.co.uk/

Obviously you'll still peddle your * about us being paranoid blah, blah,blah but you have yet to put together a case with any evidence and just challenge others to show evidence against what you;re saying - something which has been done. The number of times you have stated that Celtic should hire staticians to prove it is shown in the thread but you constantly ignore the facts that Celtic have hired various professionals in order to prove it, and they have on each case done so.

 

I always had the impression that Dallas was against Celtic for whatever reason and I dont believe he called old firm games down the line. But then again I was pretty young at the time so hard to remember accurately. I dont like him, but at the same time I dont think he was ever proven to be an anti-catholic bigot, at least not on the basis of forwarding a joke email to friends (unless I am missing something else).

I am not suggesting bias doesnt exist. No doubt it does, and in every footballing nation in the world. The linesman Andy Davis is an example of someone who I believe was as a clear as day rangers fan. But there is a massive jump between a single referee having a reputation for bias against or for one team, and an entire institutional conspiracy out to get one team over the course of the clubs history!

I have so many genuine questions about this conspiracy. Would be good to get your opinion as people rarely actually discuss what they think the conspiracy is:

How do you believe this conspiracy actually works? Is it a passive thing where refs know they get looked on favourably for giving decisions against celtic? Or do you believe it is an active strategy where the referees sit round a table and figure out the best way to get us?

Is every referee in on it, or just a select few? And do referees get hand picked from the outset or promoted based on their hatred of celtic/love of rangers?

When celtic get a lucky break or benefit of the doubt (offside goal against hearts, or hearts goal disallowed in previous game) why would referees not use these tighter calls to go against celtic? Why ever give celtic the benefit of doubt in marginal calls they could so easily get away with conspiring against celtic?

People discuss these conspiracy theories all the time but Im never sure what they actually believe in!

 

One easy way to insure bias would be to make sure the head of refereeing was bias toward the huns. He in turn could ensure the majority of refs appointed would favour the huns. He also could make sure that said refs were not punished for bias performances.
Hence no need for secret meetings in underground caves.