Have the Strachan haters got what they deserved?

Totally agree. It seems some people would rather remember one bad season that 3 good ones.

 

The big difference between those that didn't like WGS and the anti-Mogga brigade is that Strachan was hated for his hair colour, his interviews, his lack of Celtic - mindedness and the fact that despite winning trophies and progressing us to the next level in Europe, he didn't have the team playing silky football.
Mowbray was not wanted because he couldn't produce a winning team at a consistency that that befits a Celtic team.
It was based on results not the man himself.

I think most of us who didn't like the choice of management when Mogga was appointed were willing to give him a chance to prove himself, but the fact that he slated the players publicly and whinged about needing around ten new players before he could do his job properly and some of the crap he fed us about there being no need to worry when we are 10 points of the pace in the league made some of us think he was not up to the job and had to go.

Strachan couldn't put a foot right from the off with a lot of our support.

 

This is a ridiculous statement.

 

If you like the boring long ball type thing then, yes it was amazing.

 

So, MON inheriting a good team and winning with it and Strachan inheriting a bad, aging team and winning with it. What is your point?

 

I can't see the thinking behind this thread to be honest.

I was a big Strachan fan but in the last few months he lost it - we couldn't score when really needed, couldn't win when really needed and it was boring as any football I've ever seen.

Remember that Strachan resigned and wasn't sacked (which shows he has more grace and respect than that * Mowbray anyway) and so it might not even have been an option to keep him.

Just because his replacement was totally * doesn't mean that it wasn't the right time for him to go.

 

Did 'That *' Mowbray no resign then?
Oh and 17 pages of this pointless thread show that people do have something to say on it.:bbpd:

 

He was sacked is what I have heard and read - to be fair I have read conflicting stories so maybe I'm wrong and if he did resign then fair play to him and I will take that back.

Don't think I said the thread was pointless mate - if I thought that I wouldn't post in it!!

I was suggesting that I don't see the thinking behind your point of view.

 

There is no denying that strachan was good for us winning the 3 in a row, but saying that it was enjoyable or wasnt because the huns were playing badly would be a lie. Of course you want celtic to win, its what we expect, but it doesnt mean you cant hope that winning ways will also be classy and good to watch. I take celtics 2002-2003 team over any others during my life time, even when they didnt win it was great to watch.

Yeh i have got what I wanted, Lennon in charge, what more could I ask? That the fickle fans keep it shut n give him a chance, (which i dont think tony ever really got, but i do understand y he went).....

 

Yeah I think any supporter who think 'Artmedia' or uses any excuse to drag in that result every time WGS is mentioned are the type who are the problem. Artmedia happened when he barely had a team together and people ignore the fact that within weeks we had started a 3 years run of unbelievable succes. The reason why IMO was that MON was a wet dream for some fans in that he ticked all the boxes including boxes that shouldnt exist in a normal mnd like him being seen as Celtic minded. In reality he wasnt a Celtic supporter and his Celtic mindedness simply was accredited to him by default because he was Irish. Such is the mindset of the diddy element of our support.

You can still see it on this and other site with the lists of potential managers provided by supporters packed out with ex-players or Irishmen. That is the mentality that the board (through season ticket sales fears) took on board when they got in Mogga. Should a shortlist of all possible managers have just by chance have included Mogga, McGhee, Coyle etc? No. That was a shortlist where being considered Celtic-minded was clearly a factor in its compilation. The only ex-Celt good enough to be considered for the Celtic job was Moyes and once he had tuned it down we should not have looked to the tired old ex-Celt/irish angle. Supports who think like that are daft, the club was even dafter to pander to them and they have all got what they deserve this season.

 

I find it almost weird that Lawell etc failed in all efforts to get quality CF and CHs in. It was 100% clear that WGS wasnt in control of signings once Park arrived. He all but said Loovens is crap when he was being unveiled. WGS clear did not want Koki Mizuno either. I think there was a list of targets for each position in order of desirability but the club every time bought the ones bottom of the list for each position (i.e. the cheap ones).

Personally I think WGS is 10 times the manager Mogga is and if the board had even found him a single decent striker on a perm or even a loan he would have walked 4 in a row. I actually think he was a victim of his own success. The club thought he was a magician who would win everything with free transfers and SPL players forever. There were stong leaks that when Rangers failed in their CL qualifier a number of signings were shelved. I think the same thing happened when we were 7 points ahead at Xmas. Its sad the way it ended because just before the last 4 or 5 months of stutter we really looked decent and the Xmas OF game was a delight. Our defence had finally got their act together with the Caldwel-Loovens partnerhshio and IMO our failure was 100% down to injury and loss of form of our strikers. JVOH was a very good player when we signed him but it was clear long before that Xmas window that he was a perma-crock and needed replaced with similar quality to him before his injuries. Penny pinching again IMO.

 

January 2009 was when we failed to deliver the knock-out blow when the huns were on their knees. Had we invested in a striker and decent LB that window we would have walked the league.

Instead, we bought Willo Flood (who? I hear you say) and gift-wrapped them the title and the golden champions league ticket, whilst we ended up in the nightmare qualifiers.

We have done it several times in the last 20 odd years, failed to capitalise from positions of strength.

1988, 1998, 2004 in particular spring to mind.

 

I'm not going to get into a debate with you again about the merits of Strachan or where Mowbray went wrong. I think we both know fairly well where each other stands on those subjects.

I find the highlighted part interesting though. I have suspected lately that Ki was being put in the team as a token gesture at the expense of Marc Crosas. There was absolutely NO footballing reason for Ki to have played in front of Crosas on Wednesday night. Crosas has been excellent this season whereas Ki hasn't really kicked a ball for us yet. Could this be all about shirt sales in Korea? Was that why Mizuno came here as well? If we have reached the point where the board are signing players over the managers head and are prompting the manager to put certain players in the team because it will help us commercially then we are in serious trouble. Our manager will effectively be a puppet from that moment on. Obviously this is all speculation but I would hate to think there was even a grain of truth in it.

 

I got to admit I think there could be truth in that and I also suspect Lawell had a big role in the window decisions. Similarly I think Lawell was clearly behind Balde being frozen out, the selling of Miller just as he hit form etc. The most obvious case of WGS not wanting a player was defo Loovens. It was crigeable the way he made it clear he didnt rate him while he was being unveiled.

 

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'The big difference between those that didn't like WGS and the anti-Mogga brigade is that Strachan was hated for his hair colour'

This must rank as one of the most ill founded comments ive ever heard

 

See the thing with Strachan is, he was shrewd and knew what he was doing for the most part, was very disciplined and rightly made us a very fit team. The sad part is, he couldnt really spot a good player if it came up and hit him on the * when the exceptions are weighed up against the amount of dross he signed. I couldn't make my mind up on Strachan then and i still can't to this day. But i suppose history shows he was the right man at the right time. Trophy cabinets don't lie.

 

I may be crazy, but didn't Celtic have horrific injury problems in Strachan's last year. I think he did a fine job and a great service to the team operating on virtual no budget. I wish him the best at Boro.

Really, there's no one to blame. The board had no money and rather than put the club in debt they got Strachan and Strachan did what he could with what he had. Moving equal money for equal money (or less money in some cases) he brought us a team that won three in a row and did well in Europe. I don't get it. I don't want him back, but I'll not slate him, either. He was a good servant to Celtic and the fans.

 

Strachans time at Celtic ended exactly when it should have. Like some have said in earlier posts; the problem was that the board made the mistake in signing Mowbray as his replacement..

Don't rate WGS as a manager and I think he will be sacked at boro before the end of the season..

 

"There's only one Gordon Strachan"

Great manager for Celtic and his time here will be fondly remembered. Thanks for the success WGS. Seems like a long time gone now

 

We are all Celtic supporters, some liked Strachan whilst some didn't.

Whilst some might say an element of our support were "Strachan haters", others might say an element of our support were apologists for mediocrity during his reign.

It doesn't matter though, no Celtic supporter got what they deserved the past two seasons.