Grangemouth to close!!!!

Food for thought.

http://opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom...happening-at-grangemouth-and-what-it-tells-us

 

Good news. Was vital to secure long term employment in the area and for Scotland. Glad to see the union and Ineos displaying common sense.

 

Good stuff , common sense prevails , those that voted against change should think themselves very lucky to be given a chance to still be in employment , after all the company was losing a lot of money each month and asked for a pay freeze and we're able to invest £300m in return ...

 

I think if the union had common sense in the first place then it wouldn't have come to this . To me ineos put their cards on the table in the first place and the unions like most do went against it ..

 

But they did achieve something - they showed themselves for what they are.

Thankfully the issue has now been resolved and the plant will continue.

 

Completely agree. I've said that previously in this thread. I think the union went ahead with what THEY wanted, regardless of what the workers or Ineos thought. If they took the time to realise that pay freezes etc would secure the long term future of the plant and their members employment, then it would have never have got to this situation. As I've said previously, I felt for the workers who thought of the long term future and agreed to the conditions before the union came in all guns blazing.

My point was that the union has now realised how grave the situation was and saw common sense. Also, Ineos could have told them to do one after all this. So common sense has prevailed and the plant will remain open.

 

An independent analyst has actually said that the plant was quite profitable and the accounts were fudged to give a look of failure.the government sat back and allowed it to happen bcoz of their hatred for unions,now all the rest will do the same to us mere mortals.I'll not be expecting any support on here when we go on strike looking for better pay and conditions.no doubt I'll get told I'm lucky I have a job and just * up and get back to work.

 

It'll really depend on what you're already getting, the shape of the company you're working for, and more importantly, what you're looking to get.

 

Royal mail.please dont listen to the 8.6% over 3 yrs as the targets set will make it unachievable.as for shares before that gets thrown in.we aren't allowed to cash them in for 5yrs.

 

Intriguing think about Post Office strike is that only 78% of the 63% who actually bothered voting, voted for strike action - my calculations (correct me if i'm wrong,) leave me with 49% of the actual workforce voting for a strike.....however, if you don't exercise your right to franchise and all that, then vox populei vox dei.

I do have sympathy to the current plight, as an aside - however I will have none if it (strike action) is ramped up over the festive period, acting as a big "f*ck off" to millions of people who simply want to send a cunting card in less than a fortnight.

 

It's not a post office strike,different company.I'd rather it didn't get to strike action and we could move forward in a healthier working environment than the bullying one that's in place just now.

 

Oh and for the record,royal mail managers are also being balloted bcoz their not happy either.

 

not at all mate. i'll be 100% behind the strike action of postal workers

 

You * are all the same - dinna come that *.








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Only kidding - my ignorance. Would still result in Christmas delays if extended strike action tho?

 

I'm not sure this time.I think the union could get public backing by suspending industrial action over the Christmas period.hopefully doesn't get that far.

 

Unions tend to use such circumstances as an opportunity to increase the pressure on the top brass, don't they? I don't doubt they'll do so again if they have to.

 

Oh yes - they absolutely 100% do; which is when my sympathy levels plummet. It becomes a case of "let's impact as many people who have got * all to do with it" as opposed to a more legitimate strike action. For me, anyway.

The unions would argue it is a common sense logic. I say it's a pain in the *, and to be brutally honest those kind of actions have an adverse affect in my opinion.

1. Those with the ability to do anything to help the humble worker are expecting it and thus are able to shift the blame on to the unions and their workers by having their media campaign sorted well in advance = point being largely lost in translation.

And 2 - the general public go from genuine sympathy to the plight to overall frustration at the timing which they deem morally redundant. Again = overall point lost in translation.