EPL meeting in November about Old Firm joining English league

Would love to see us playing in England against the likes of Liverpool and Man Utd.

I can see it happening but I don't know when.

 

a dream would come true! imagine a boxing day clash with manwho!

 

Right!

this is what REALLY * me off about Scotland.

im 21 right now, and ive been playing football for most my life, not professionally, but as professional as possible. i never tried out for any teams when i was younger, i had other stuff going on and was more dedicated to that.
anyway, the best me and my mates could do was go down to our local park which has about 3 7-a-side pitches ( all in terrible condition, basically just goals put at random parts of grass ) , and 2 11-a-side pitches.

speaking from past experiance, and todays experiance, people LOVE playing in enclosures, like astroturf parks with fences round it, or anything with fences round it. if it makes it feel professional, then its so much better!

i started playing football again this summer with all my mates, down the same park that has now got rid of 1 of the 11 a side pitches, and had the school across the road build a astroturf park, with an 11 a side pitch, and from the 2 wide lines, there are 3 7 a side pithches.

me and my mates when we were younger HATED playing in the crappy goals, and would of loved to play in this pitches, but when they charge you £25 per hour, how the * can you even get the commitment to play?

for a nation thats trying to promote healthy eating, and to get into sports more, i have no idea why they seem to be "holding us back". ive had this conversation with my mates many times, and some of them have said "well if they leave the pitches open, then neds will hang about them at night" .. i just dont get this arguement at all! its easy enough to just install 1 dome camera next to the pitches, or even out in a street looking into the pitch, and hook it up to the police station.

i really dont know how to word all of this, and how people will take it, but im sick of going down to a local park, that has proper football pitches, with goals and nets, with enclosures so that you can hit the ball as hard as you like without fear of the keeper missing it and having to chase it about a mile behind the goals to get playing again, but you cant play on it without having to pay the * council, goverment, or whoever the money go's to when paying the £25 an hour. So you need to make do with people putting jumpers and bags or whatever else down as goal post's.

by all means, give me * about this point and slag me, but if we're trying to improve our game, then it needs to go right down to the roots. the only people i ever see play at these fancy football facilities are the league players at the weekend, and people that are usually 18+, who now work and have the money to organise a game of the sport they have grown to love and play.

now dont get me wrong, ive never had a problem with putting jackets and stuff down for goalposts and whatever else, but when theres the oppurtunity to use the professionally built parks, but you cant take it because you need to pay for it, its totally ridiculous. effectively your limiting the people who can play on these pitches to adults who work, and are willing to pay the price.

this is all in my opinion, so feel free to argue agaisnt me, or raise any points or anything, but this has all been boiling up inside me for a good while now

 

All too true.

 

I play every thursday night 5 a side in those cages. It costs us £35 an hour(£3.50 each) i think they use that money to refill the pitches with that rubber stuff, flood lighting, providing bins & staff to empty them & organise the timetable of teams playing on the pitches, car parking lights & just general maintenance etc.

 

If you're wanting all the perfect facilities for a kick about then you can't argue about paying £2-4 a night each for it. I play on an all weather caged pitch and that only costs £2 a pop.

If money is an issue then get your boys down the park where it's free.

My view is I don't think money or facilities is an issue. I blame our drinking culture and education. But that's a whole other argument not particularly necessary in Celtic chat. So I won't bother :icon_mrgreen:

 

Thats a very good point. To have success in the EPL, the SKY money is just a start. You also need a sugar daddy and huge debt. If we didnt go down that road we would never win it. At best we would be like Everton. BTW, I am seriously thinking of supporting Everton as my English team because they are one of the only decent sides who are operating like a proper old style club.

I think SKY and the EPL have created such huge problems. Until SKY people got about an hour of EPL highlights after the Scottish highlights a week. Now people just have raging boners about the EPL. We used to be happy with what we have. I dont think the SPL is all that worse really. Its just folk looking over Hadrians Wall and getting jealous. Celtic is not a 'product', its a labour of love.

 

Roy's Keane and Gunt have good points in thhis argument ( as usual).

Running up huge debts to win the league will....well, win us the league, ....but what about the debt then? What about the investment being pulled? What about changes in UEFA rules that might force clubs to be run as properly managed businesses?

Such clubs running up such debts might probably be lucky in that Football really is the Opium of the people, but then again, if any pogroms do take place, it's not likely to be Real Madrid or Man Utd who'd take the brunt.

I always have this uneasy feeling at the back of my mind that tells me that such situations show the true nature of the UEFA beast - that some animals are 'more equal than others'.

Look at the repeal of the Eduardo ban for cheating, just as an example. where's the fairness in that?

Finance would be a whole new lump of fire to play with. I don't think the EPL is the answer, even though it's tempting to me too.

 

what is it worth to win silverware in scotland? Even the Champion has to go through qualification so i can´t see a chance for championsleague football when we play like we did the past 2 years... so maybe it would be better to go down south and grow and then we´ll see if we have a chance to get into european football (which i think is more than possible with a brand like celtic in the epl). if not it´s better anyway to play the likes of manwho, chelski and pool every week..

if we stay in scotland it´ll be very difficult in the future to make it to the group stage in the CL... Then we don´t have money. and if you don´t have money you don´t have the power and if you don´t have power..... ( ok, i watched scarface to often)

 

Agree with all of that. But in addition to that, and Ive said this many times, is school kids playing football are taught all wrong. They play in goals far too big, play with a size 5 football and the coaching wisdom is "get intae them" and basically lobbing a ball up a park. If a kid is going to learn any sort of technical ability how can they do it when the ball is bigger than them and how can young keepers learn ther trade when all thats needed to score is kick it high? Then the social issues. I knew alot of young guys who could have done somthing in football but they turn 15-16 then its chasin lasssies, gettin pished and partying all teh time or they end up in jail. Too many issues to get solved in Scotland.
And aye as for Old firm in EPL. DOnt like the idea. What about the CL? Could we wait for years to even attempt to get back into europe? The money and competition is luring but am not a fan of the idea

 

You've also just described or Strategy in all the World Cups we've played in.

 

Every year in scotland our teams get worse and worse and fall away from other teams and leagues in europe not just the epl.
It is going to get harder and harder for us to just get into europe apart from maybe the first round qualifiers.
Yes the gunner put 5 past us but if we are honest and they had stepped up two or three gears we could have lost by 10/15 goals,and before anyone says thats crap look at some of their other games.
Had the huns 3-0 in under 30mins.
Beat everton 5-0 and they spend tens of millions.
Beat sheffield untd 6-0 and they spend more than us.
I think most of the teams in the epl would beat us,and most of the teams in the championship would give us a very hard time.

Then you have the other end of the scale the so called pub teams that we find hard to beat,this is going to happen more and more often if things keep going as they are then europe games for scottish teams are just going to be pipedreams.
Poeple say oh the sky bubble will burst but how long has bt and microsoft been running and they are yet to go under,sky is everywhere not just in the uk.
If we stay in scotland then things are going to get very very hard we only have 5/6 million people where as england 70 million and france 65 million mean they have more football fans than we have population,how to you compete with that..?
Yes if we go to the epl we might not see european football or win the league,but our other choice is to sit in scotland and rot.
The next 200 years fighting with rangers over the spl...?
Or the bigger stage and the chance to be a force in europe again...?
Scottish football has been ill for tens of years and there have been many many people in charge and yet it is still the same old same old.
We all know the problems in scotland and its football do you really think its ever going to change......i dont.
P.s. this aint a rant at celtic the team or the manager but at scottish football.

 

Its SKY money thats killing the other SPL teams. They rely on bringing through local talent and to an extent they are not bad at that. However, even moderately talented young players are leaving in droves to championship or below because even they pay far more than SPL teams. I think that devastated Aberdeen recently. There is simply too much money in England. The Bosman ruling needs overturning IMO. Why should a club spend a fortune in training some guy then he has freedom to fck off for nothing. It takes away the incentive to have youth setups. I think we need to go back to a panel working out a value and insisting on decent fees for all players of 23 or younger. A club should get the value of a guy who comes through their youth system and who is still pretty young.
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Although frustrating, it is a simple fact that we are a Scottish team, and should therefore play in Scotland IMO. Are we suffering through a lack of investment / money in the SPL? of course we are, but we just have to deal with it really.

As a footnote, the notion of an away game at f*cking Pompey doesn't exactly fill me with great joy either - would hit the loyal fan base in the pocket BIG time if we moved. Not just a case of a three hour bus ride TOPS is it? Spend half our * time in London! A legion of divorced Celtic fans, having never seen their wives on a weekend for months at a time!

 

i think it will take more that you left nacker mate lol

no im not! im saying football is a global sport played by millions!and no team have the right to say we are not sharing money with the other teams in the league! * we had real madrid president florentino perez come out with * like get a league only with the top teams playing each other so we can make even more money! thats my point listening to * like that. thats real more or less giving the 2 fingers up at teams like celtic,the huns,ajax,psv,marsielle,porto etc! do you get what im trying to explain! donig that is alienateing the rest of europe because of greeedy * like real who infact are 295 million in debt!! * is that all about! remember we almost went to the wall over a poxy 4 million debt but they * are getting away with 295m!! not fair not right and uefa need to grow a set and get this sorted also alsong with the sfa for our league.

a good post mate cant argue much with this! but the government need to come in and help out the councils a little bit better aswell! we need parks sorted too and also the amount of no ball games signs you see about is shocking too! no wonder bairns arent playing football as much now! we had some of the best footballers come from playing in the streets also! and now? hee haw

your bang on gunt mate! ever since sky tv have come in the english have moved forward so fast and thats because of the money they get! there was a time before sky that scottish football was on a par or even better than english football! it was evedent when murray bought the huns and splashed out big to get the big england internationals up north cos at that time there wasnt that much money in england! and that came from terry butcher himself!

 

Totally agree.

 

Me as well, I would gladly miss out on Europe for a few years if this happened.

 

anyone else starting to think sky offered us crap money so we'd have no choice but to join the spl hense making it better
also the main supporters are ex old firm players/managers so we just need burnley to stay up ipswich to get promoted and norwhich to do well and get the epl full of us

 

How many people on this board alone could afford the time and expense of traveling to places in England every other weekend ?. Even a lot of Gasgow people can't afford to go to Celtic Park.
If you left on a Satuarday morning on a bus or train thee is no guarantee you would reach a town in the south of england in time for the game, nor get home the same day.
The Plane,Train and Bus fares on those weekends would immeditely be hyped just the way these * rob us when we go to european games.

I would love to see us up against these big clubs every week as I am sure the competition would help us raise our own game, but I fear for the sake of the fans.

Would Celtic Football Club be in a position to negotiate reduced fairs for their fans, I doubt they would even bother knowing that they could up their prices, which they will do anyway, once they are Bigger Bhoys and new English fans would come to take over.

Identity of Glasgow Celtic lost in history. The problem is in Scotland and needs to be fixed by Scotland.

 

Also very true.