Enough is enough

So last season must have been a disaster for you under Lennon then?

 

Last season in the league was exactly the way I'm saying we should approach it. High levels of consistency, lots of goals, attacking football, a solid defence. That is what we should be aiming for, that's what I'm saying. Not just doing enough to win the league but to dominate it and be the best we can possibly be.

We were very poor in the cups and that wasn't acceptable but with Champions League football and our league form, that's what we should strive for, while improving in the domestic cups.

I wouldn't be happy with winning the league with say, 68 odd points.

 

Sorry but the Champions League last season was an embarrassment. Dress it up any way you want but with stuff like "be the best we can be" etc. and to then go on and say 'just being in the CL'.
You can't have it both ways.

I'd even go as far as saying the reason NL didn't get the Norwich job was due to last seasons CL campaign. * Norwich!!
Everyone knows we should be winning the league at a canter - dress it up how you like with stuff like 'maximum effort' but no-one and i mean no-one gives a * if we win the league by 1 point or 100.

Also Lennon was 45 minutes of football away from being sacked and we all know it - Kilmarnock away.
And again i will stress - i have not heard one criticism aimed at Ronny that hasn't been said about Lennon or Strachan on here. Not one.
Using the same * stick to beat the manager with and calling for his head when we could have got rid of Strachan and Lennon for the same bullshit excuses would have not only cost the club success on the pitch and money off it but two legends.
Short term thinking is not how we should be doing it.
I remember when this guy was brought in - people were quite happy for us 'just' to win the league and possibly a cup or two. Happy to give the guy a season to get us playing sexy football that we didn't get after Lennon's 1st season.
Now when the cold hard reality sets in toys get thrown out of prams.

 

It was rotten but the minimum aim of every season for me is to get into the group stages, we need that cash if we're going to improve as a team. Last season's games came to early for us while we were still reeling from the spine of our team being sold.

League form is what I'm talking anout here though, what Lenny done in the league last season is what we should be aiming for every year because it was * excellent.

Exactly where have I called for Ronnys head? I've called for Ronny improving on what he's doing here. Surely that's reasonable?

 

Well have you ever thought that this seasons games came too early for Ronny? CL qualifiers especially.


Also i wasn't talking about you calling for his head - more the slevvering idiots who call their own clubs manager clueless, *, etc.

 

For a fairer comparison these are the stats

1st full season Lennon in charge as of this stage in season

Out of Europe
Played 7 SPL games won all of them. In 1st position.

1st full season Deila in charge as of this stage in season

Out of CL. In Europa Group stages
Played 8 SPFL games won 4 drawn 2 lost 2. In 6th position.


So Deila's SPFL bad start is offset by better performance in Europe, compared to Lennon's 1st season, although lucky to even be in Europe.

 

Would you prefer lennys ?

I wouldn't..

 

In terms of silverware it is mate. I would much rather win a treble than only the league and get completely embarrased in the CL like last year, that's for sure.

 

I agree but the problem is i don't think Deila has what it takes to be Celtic manager. I hope i am wrong but don't think so.

 

You said "This season still has the potential to be our most successful since MON's first year in charge." That includes two seasons we qualified from the group stages of the CL. I would much rather compete at this level in Europe than win Scottish cups.

 

He has to prove it, all I'll say is it's not anywhere near long enough for those calling him clueless and to be sacked..

 

Same ,champions league group stages or even a decent showing in the Europa League trumps either of the domestic cups or both.

 

I gave him a by for the qualifiers. I said as soon as Lenny left whoever we brought in would fail to qualify. I just hated the manner in which we capitulated against Legia and the way we just fell to sleep against Maribor but other than that, I pretty much figured we wouldn't be in it.

 

The argument by some Deila supporters that he has potential is not really a strong defence of the manager, the same could be said about anybody even a caretaker manager, so it dozen't actually hold any water. The reality is that we are sixth in a weakened league mid October, and have been bundled out of the Champions League twice in succession by weak teams, a most unwelcome record for any Celtic manager, and we have an unofficial Player's Rebellion on our hands to contend with too, which all in all is a terrible situation, and one from which arguably is beyond the scope of Deila and Collins ever recovering from.

It could also be argued forcefully that the four points we rather fortunately gained in the Europa, could all be squandered if we lose to Astra in the next two games, which is a distinct possibility after the capitulation to Hamilton.

A strong argument can then be advanced for a new experienced, good man manager coming in now to replace Deila and Collins before the picture becomes terminal, healing the player divisions, motivating them to beat Astra, and start the fightback in the SPL.

Those who say give Deila and Collins more time, their argument is fatally weakened by all of the above IMO.

Mowbray is the precedent.

 

I would much rather have done a league and Scottish Cup double, than just win the league and get totally embarrased in Europe like last year. We didn't really compete in Europe last year, we got a hiding.

In terms of silverware, I'll say it again, this has the potential to be our most successful since MON's first season in charge. That is facts mate.

 

I don't think we would have qualified even with Lennon in charge. The team that got beaten by Legia and Maribor needed investment, which Lennon knew wasn't forthcoming, so he got out. He knew exactly what was happening.

 

I really think we would have, we were close under Ronny with some utterly bizarre decisions. Lenny's team was solid in defence and good going forward, played to everybodies strengths. It was in dire need of investment, yes but it was good enough to get through.

 

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I was going to highlight quite a lot of your post to reply too, but
I ran out of ink. Only had enough for the "capitulation" comment.

Can you explain in which way we "capitulated"

 

We weren't really close mate. We were totally outplayed by Legia Warsaw, and they were a far better team than us in my opinion. We just happened to be fortunate enough that they blundered. Our team going into the qualifiers was not good enough. We went in with Anthony Stokes as our lone striker, and that was the best option we had. It was laughable from the board, but we should have knew that was coming when Lennon left and didn't have another job to go to.

 

I'm talking about being close against Maribor.

And if you think Lennon would have went with the same tactics and had Stokes as a lone striker you're mental mate.