English Premier League 2011/2012

fair do's mate...looking forward to it (despite what others tell you) :icon_mrgreen:

 

How many players in the starting 11 of Man City have won the EPL before?

How many have of players in the Man United starting 11 have experienced winning the league?

Giggs, Scholes, Jones, Smalling, Evra, Rio, Rooney, Valencia should I go on?

Yeah City have players with experience of winning things but not the EPL, United will will the league, I'm convinced.

 

So winning their respective leagues isnt the same?...how odd..

 

Mancini and Platt are the management team, when it gets to this stage of the season their isn't a lot you can do as a manager except to play the best team and hope they have the experience to see it through.

David Silva is a World Cup Winner? So what, does David Silva have the experience of David Villa, Xavi, Puyol, Xabi Alonso, Casillas and co next to him at Man City in a long, drawn out dogfight for the top?

Kolo Toure suffered failure of bottle for years at Arsenal, that is undoubted. Vincent Kompany has won 2 league titles - compare that to Giggs or Scholes and get back to me on how you get on their.

You are seriously counting Carlos Tevez? Do you think he'll ever get a game again or play a part in Man City's title this season?

Pizzaro - one league title in his long career.

Clichy - are you * me? Even Fabregas had experience of winning * all at Arsenal never mind Gael bombscare Clichy.

Add this to the fact that, they don't have the experience of going through a situation like this together. They are a * good team, a really good team for the league they play in I'll give you that but they are banking on getting through on talent alone.

They don't have the required experience, especially when you compare them to Man United.

Giggs, Scholes, Ferdinand, Carrick, Rooney, Berbatov, Nani... all been through this before and then there is Alex Ferguson who Mancini can only dream of matching.

This is very similiar to the situation of Newcastle and Man United years ago. Man United will win it, no doubt.

 

Jones won a title?

 

No it ain't. Every league is different.

 

you know....this arguement about United have winners and City dont....*?

its a team sport and most of Man City's players havent previously been in teams good enough to win titles, Atletico Madrid?, Valencia? never gonna beat Barca or RM, Barry and Milner, Johnson, Lescott? Villa, Everton and Boro were never gonna win were they?, Nasri, Clichy? yeah maybe the closest, but they still always had better teams as competition.

the sort of winner you guys are talking about arent born.....theyre made, cause theyre being jugded by trophies, and you only win trophies at big clubs, or....trophies of significance, and really, for alot of the man city players, this is their first realistic chance, so dont write them off yet, they havent had a chance to prove their mettle at other teams, most of them havent bottled it before, because they havent been given the chance

Rooney, Nani, Carrick, Vidic, Ferdinand etc, they werent winners when they joined Man Utd, its just the same case with the City players.

Now, i know Man Utd player have shown they have the Mental Strength.....but Man City players havent shown theyve not got it

so for me you cant really use that arguement

 

I agree with this however a winning mentality stays the same. They still require that bit of steel in them to step up to the mark.

 

They are made mate, they are made through the situations they put themselves in and how they react throughout there career.

Some are just born like that, the likes of Neil Lennon and Carles Puyol are born with the mentality. However Man City are a youngish, untested team.

Look at what happened in when they went into the Champions League, that was just inexperience of being in that situation together. Even though the majority of the players had played in the Champions League they completely buckled because they didn't know who they can rely on for each other.

That's the situation they are in until the end of the season, so they are relying on talent.

 

I think Man Utd will win the title too. Also the Europa League. Then Mancini will get the sack leaving the window open for Mourinho to make a choice between City or Chelsea.

 

No it's completely different.

 

the Man Utd team of this season also Buckled in the CL, so they are equal in that regard.

they maybe untested....but that doesnt mean they'll fail the test, it'd be almost foolish to say that, they havent failed before, so hpw can they be written off for not being "winners"?

 

Would seem like were * then...owell I suppose we can put it down to experience

The table doesnt lie...and it wont lie at the end of the season.

For all uniteds experience they havent looked too clever over their last few games have they? Or maybe thats them showing their experience and winning ugly? Bollocks to that If the team could have run out convincing winners in any of the games theyve played recently they would have done it.

Yes they have been there and done it...but theyve also been there and bottled it. Were getting the likes of Jones Smalling and Young coming out and saying City dont have the experience What a load of crap...lol

Lets see what happens at Eastlands first eh? Then the screw will tighten and we'll see who blinks first...

As for Tevez, personally I wouldnt have him near the squad but Im pretty sure he'll be in the shop window and what better way to prove himself than banging a few in for City in the run in? 2 weeks and he'll be ready btw...in case you wondered.

 

So with these supposed tight knit group of players, City will then displace a player that's done the business for them all season and put in a disruptive player in Carlos Tevez for the run in?

You see my point here, what will that do for morale? Didn't say you were *, I said you were relying on talent more than experience. At this stage of the season experience comes into it more than talent IMO.

See Celtic and Rangers last season, Celtic were far more talented as a team.... a better team. Rangers were more experienced at getting over the finish line.

 

see celtic and rangers this season, celtic more talented...rangers more getting over the line experience....


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Would be interesting to hear what you think of Citys first ever CL run....10 points against one of the hardest groups in recent years is a pretty good account. Any other year they would have gone through on that tally. How did United do btw (given their dearth of experience in that particular competition?)

 

Not writing them off mate, just saying that they need to rely more on talentthan experience and I think experience will win that battle.

I know they buckled the Champions League, found it husterical but it still doesn't discount the point that theyfailed their first major test. That wasn't uniteds first major test.

 

If you cant see that this City team are well versed in success in major competitions I despair.

 

it was Jones, Cleverley, De Gea, Young and Welbecks first major tests....5 players who will feature alot in the run in....

 

Assisted by a very experienced, very well versed at winning with each other Man United side.

Put it this way, if you had to put £1000 on Man City or Man United winning the league who would you feel safer putting it on?