DROSS/cant take anymore (Threads merged)

I sometime wish OD had not played those CL games. If you just look at his SPL games alone he has not earned any of this unbelievable level of expectation, good will and faith put on him. Have you seen him in the reserves? Nothing special. In fact in the reserve games when Bobo and Elvis came in and he was punted to LB, the reserve defence looked miles better. I think WGS doesnt fancy him and one of the reasons is he is very slow and one-paced for his age and is only decent playing deep, exactly like big Mick. We dont need another McManus which is what he basically is (thats not just based on him being left footed). We now have a collection of immobile CBs (gary is probably the quickest of a very slow bunch). We need someone who is more mobile.

 

I don't have a problem with O'Dea. Put John Terry in there today and I don't see how it would have changed the game. My problem is that when I watch the game I don't go looking for people to blame, I look for how we can improve things and if you think a different defensive line up would have improved Celtic today then you are barking up the wrong tree.

 

I agree. Putting a novice in at CB could only have made things worse today. Anyway, the real problem today was the midfield, the FBs and maybe the strikers.

 

That's fair comment, Falkirk played the better stuff yet Boruc didn't have too many saves to make. That can only be down to the defence.

Our problem was middle to front. No width and the ball didn't stick when played forward.

 

All of the above reasons would not have happened if O'Dea had played.

Let's look at the game again. We are totally dominated by an average Falkirk and yet they have two shots on target. The only part of the team that is playing half decently is the Goalie and the centre backs. But hey, as it turns out one of the centre backs is really the worst player on the park. It must have been down to him that Falkirk got two on target.

FFS open your eyes as well as your mind. It was Celtic's worse performance of the season but to blame Caldwell for it is pathetic and shows a total lack of football knowledge.

 

I started this thread only 2 hours ago and already 65 posts and five pages of disgruntled opinion have been posted.

 

I think you know that I agree with your point of view on Strachan, Ellbhoy, however, today must surely be a wake up call to those who follow Celtic with blind faith.

His team spoke volumes about him, his tactics and his total inability to change things when they are not working out.

I think I actually cried when Sno came on - even though he was far from our worst performer today which is a damning indictment of the rest and their performances.

Gary Caldwell will give at least ten free-kicks on the edge of the box against Barca and two penalties. A complete and total liability and embarrassment to Celtic FC.

Enough is enough, ffs!!

 

listen son

ive forgotten more about football than you will ever know, and by you saying that caldwell played well just illustrates the fact, you are a half wit, and i think you would be better off with the rest of the knowfuckalls across the city, im done speaking to you

 

I feel your pain Thombhoy m8. And yes I hope people will see our point of view and this will be a wake up call for many. As to turn a blind eye to so many obvious problems would be a mistake.

 

Every manager makes mistakes ur missing my point when celtic win leauges & cups the players get all the credit so when we hit a bad patch surely the players have to stand up and take some blame to!
The reallity is celtic cant bring in players like the o'neil days Robson would make our squad more competitive and will do a job in games like today...
If any one can give me a reason why Brown is better than Gravesen then ill hold my hands up but i doubt anyone can!!!
Dont think im shouting bring Grav back im not i just dont know what people see in brown!

 

Youre missing the point mate these guys were winners ,men who wouldnt be shoved off the ball easily or * out of tackles and there werent many of them on show today . And this my friend is what got us a total gubbing at the beggardome earlier in the season .You dont have to go to England for this type of player .

 

Well I've read all through this thread and I think a lot of fans out there are totally out of order as far as blaming WGS and Caldwell for everything. I would be looking to blame people higher up rather than these guys.

At the start of the season you could tell Rangers were catching us because they spent (even though are skint) MONEY. All we did was take and dismantle the squad. Celtic should be streets ahead of Rangers at the moment and one of the main areas of improving was CF. Just as well McDonald turned out so good!
That Dutch guy up front can barely move and McDonald runs his back side off every game. Could you imagine 2 of them? A Kenny Miller maybe or even better, a guy that runs and scores.
The Midfield when in possession have very little options because of this. I'm sure if Donati had runners ahead you would get more out of his distribution.
I do feel that WGS is a bit stubborn sometimes like in the Balde situation where he is clearly the best defender in the league and it also takes him longer to change his formation in certain games. But give him a break. I don't need to point out to anyone on this forum what he's achieved.

If he started the season with a better budget things might be a good bit different.

 

Too right mate and some not even squad players M. Brown ,Caldwell ,Killen ,Hartley ,Pressley ,Sno ,JJ , Graveson ,Wilson ,Virgo ,Donati , Zurawski the list goes on and on .Every manager buys a certain amount of * but we are up to our eyes in it .You are not telling me we dont have better in the reserves .

 

I totaly agree with you m8 on this.

However I would take it a step further.For me WGS has replaced like for like Gravesen for Brown and JJ for Donati,He has also paid for the privelidge. The only diference I see between these 4 players is there age other than that they are as afective as each other. It could be argued that Grav an JJ contribute more.

 

heres the lowdown on todays starting XI for those of you that need it spelling out

artur boruc - in my opinion the best keeper in the world, and we will lose him to another team in the near future unless we sort ourselves out, hes a winner, and he wont hang around as much as he loves celtic if we cant meet his expectations

lee naylor - an excellent season last season, short in confidence this term which is affecting his form, hopefully he can get past it, not unreplaceable

paul hartley - put simply, he was the best player in a poor team, never should have been given the chance at celtic, a poor poor player, must be sold or let go

mcmanus - the best defender in scotland, a great leader and born winner, lets the confidence of the team and players around him creep into his own, comes into his own when playing with a partner he trusts

caldwell - the less said about him the better, the most incompetent player at celtic park, should be given away on a free transfer

nakamura - another one who lets the confidence of the team affect his game, a big game player, and when confidence is high he is a genius, easily the most valuable player in the spl

mcgeady - a genius in the making, his skill is unmatched in this country, tears teams apart on his own, although another one that lets the confidence sap out of him too easily

donatti - he is a very very good player, as we have seen in flashes, and needs the confidence to show his full potential

brown - will be the driving force behind the team as long as he is here, at times tries too hard, once we are playing the way we can he will show his class

hessilink - he knows where the goal is, although hes far too workshy, not a team player, wont go that extra bit for the team, and knows that he will be picked by strachan regardless, so doesnt care

mcdonald - like brown, sometimes tries too hard, without question the no1 striker at the club, massive massive potential

the long and short of it is, there needs to be changes in the team, stabilty will come, confidence will return, and the big results will follow

 

I don't agree with the basic sentiment, but good post

 

thats funny, thats everybody not in our first team and then Donati. Donati is getting used to Scottish football

When Zurawski was signed he was quality, he just got old, it happens. Players play, they get old, they lose their quality. Brown is a backup keeper, he's fine. Hartley plays pretty well in the defensive midfielder role when we've needed him to do that, especially in Europe. JJ played some good games when we lost Naka and then picked up a knock. Gary played RB without any extreme errors when we had no-one else to do it, unless you wanted to throw a kid up there out of position or use Hartley and we have seen he isn't great on the back line.

While we could improve on some of these guys, to question them even making the bench is a bit unrealistic on your part.

 

cant belive some people are arguing who was our worst player/s ,is this how bad it is,

 

Your right tim it is bad and I see little point to it.

It doesent realy matter if we cant all agree if Caldwell is a good or bad player,if Odea should be playing,If we need a striker.a midfielder or because this one and that one isnt good enough etcetcetc.

What 90% of the posters on this thread do agree with is the team is not playing in a fashion that is becoming of a Celtic team. For whatever that reason might be the one person who has the power to change it is the manager. So far he has failed to do so and it hasnt been through a lack of trying on his part. It is a fact that that side is not functioning consistantly and hasnt been for almost a year.

In my view WGS has done a decent job and he has probably taken us as far as he can in regards to his abilities as a manager. It is time for the board to * the curent situation and maybe make a tough decision for a change, and cast the net for someone who can maybe take us forward.

 

Ellboy,I hope you're not touting for Liam Brady again:icon_mrgreen: