Do Celtic play better as a team without Ledley?

And imo that is because he has played alongside Ki for the whole season.

 

In comparison to his previous performances yes. But i hope you see where im coming from when i say people somehow manages to point the finger at Ki when Kayal has been so gash. And virtually everything wrong with celtic is Ki's fault. I just cant understand the mentality or logic behind it.

 

Care to explain how a player's series of absolutely shocking performances has got anything to do with another's mere presence? Your clutching on straws to slate Ki mate.

 

Agree, I like Ki, he rarely makes mistakes. An on-form Kayal is a better option though.

 

Kayal has showed he plays better with Ledley or Wanyama. Ledley plays better alongside Kayal. These 2 are the obvious 2 to play imo.

We shouldn't have to play Ledley out of position to accomodate Ki. Ki should be benched if I'm being honest.

 

NO.

 

Well because Ki is absolutely terrible defenscively, which leaves Kayal having to twice as much work in there. It's obvious he's unhappy playing alongside Ki. Or is it just coincidence that he plays better when Ki's not playing next to him? I think not.

Clutching at straws to slate Ki?, now why would i want to do that?, it's not like i * hate the man, just telling you what's plainly obvious.

 

There lies my argument. Why should Ki take the blame for out positioning Ledley when Kayal (apart from last game) has been so gash. He over anyone else on the team should have been benched. Taking out a better performing player to theoretically support player who is playing gash is insane.

Just admit it like a man. This has got nothing to do with Kayal or Ledley for you. You clearly do not rate Ki at all, despite what he has done and you want to see him dropped. Then i will drop my case.

 

No.

 

Cant say this any other way but if you dont know what Ledley brings to the team then you dont know too much about football imo.

 

There is a reason why Lennon plays Ki has a DEEO CREATIVE MIDFIELDER.
Your argument that he cant defend is absolutely ludicrous , he has shown he can defend as well as any good midfielder but yet people come out with bullshit theory "he is weak", "he cant defend". He has shown plenty of times for Korea and Celtic that he is capable of strong and physical defending. Just cant see where that argument is coming from.

 

Ki has been played further up the park for most games this season.

 

mate, can you please tell me why I would want a player dropped for any reason other than i don't think he's as good? I don't have some kind of agenda against Ki for * sake, I think he's a good player. But Kayal and Ledley are a better partnership, if you can't see that, then maybe you're not even worth the debate.

Stop trying to claim i have some sort of agenda agaisnt Ki.

 

The way I see it is we have a very strong midfield and Kayal, Ki, Ledley, Wanyama etc could all slot in easily and we wouldn't worry about them playing. Personally Kayal, on form, is a must play - if it's away from home then with either Ledley or Wanyama. At home, I have no problem with Ki playing - he isn't required to do any grafting which doesn't suit him. Be happy we have 4 very good footballers there.

 

What is up with theses threads, ''Do we play better without such and such?'' I don't get it at all. Yes, we won last night but that dosen't mean to say we would have played better/worse without Ki or Ledley.

This thread made me angry, has all Ledley's work this season gone unrecognised? IMO he has given 100% every game for the team and now fans are questioning ''Does the team play better without him''. If you want my serious and honest opinion, i'ld rather have Ledley start over Kayal. At times this season he has looked like he dosen't want to know.

Rant over, i think we're all reading into last nights win a bit much. Yes, it was a great win and great to see the team play well but i'ld rather have that result on Sunday. League is priority and without Joe Ledley we would be in deep * IMO.

 

Are you serious? He is absolutely hopeless when it comes to defending, he is nor physical or strong, so i don't really know where you're getting that from.

 

I think he is physical and strong as well, the thing that he doesn't have is positional awareness on the defensive side of things.

 

Honestly?

Our most consistant player?

Nae fish round here pal, go try somewhere else.

 

No, I just do not like the fact that people come out with argument against Ki with mentioning his performances are causation of other player's bad performances e.g. Kayal. Previewing my posts, i apologies if ive made wrongful accusations but i was eventually trying to get towards was the fact the i am absolutely sick of Ki being blamed for nearly everything bad about celtic atm. Hence this thread and the "other thread" exist. Sure Ledley and Kayal are excellent players and i have no problems with that but im lamenting how we blame Ki exponentially. Again i hope you see where im coming from and further apoligies for any offences taken.

 

I don't see it in him atall, he is a creative midfielder, good passer and isn't afraid to have a strike with either foot.

However, he is absolutely hopeless at defending, and doesn't suit being next to Kayal, Whereas Ledley and Wanyama do, as both are good at defensively.

Kayal on form, next to Ledley/wanyama is much better than any other partnership in the middle of the park. It's so plainly obvious, how anyone can think Ki should be playing in there ahead of these players, I don't know.

Is it coincidence that Kayal plays better next to Ledley or Wanyama? or could there just be that tiny, wee chance that i could be right..

Kayal on form (which he will be next to ledley or wanyama) is better than Ki on form.