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Director of Football

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by Liam Scales, May 31, 2021.

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  1. Seán Mac D Gold Member Gold Member

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    Our lack of a DOF is precisely why we're in such a mess at the moment.

    Horrendous recruitment, * poor scouting, limited progression from academy to first-team, senior players contracts being ran down to the wire, signings made that manager hasn't signed off on: Bayo, Shved, Shaw etc., no pre-match opponent analysis.

    We need some succession planning to avoid these periodic dismantling & rebuilding of the infrastructure of the club. Off the back of one of our most successful periods ever we should not be in anywhere near the mess we're in, that's down to a lack of an actual DOF and a boardroom accountant pretending he is one.

    We need a separation of church and state. CEO and Board to look after the Corporate side of the business, DOF with football expertise to oversee the Sporting side of the business. Until we do that and come into the 21st century we're going to continue to have these blow ups and get done by more organised European teams.
     
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  2. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    We need both.

    Shouldn't be one or the other. A club our size SHOULD be capable of bringing in top options in both positions relatively easily.

    But as per we make an * of it. I don't know what to say anymore?

    Can anyone think of a club going from complete dominance of their domestic league and main rivals to a position like this in such a short space of time? I genuinely can't. Gross incompetence yet so many of our fans will continue to stick their heid in the sand.

    It is utter utter madness.
     
  3. JamesM09

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    Absolutely spot on.

    Madness is probably the best word for it. I cannot believe how many supporters are backing what's going on right now.
     
  4. MagicBallBhoy Gold Member Gold Member

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    i think the tight * have baulked at the idea of paying for a football department ran by the DOF

    tbh its just holding * up now id rather we just got a decent manager in to start the rebuild

    and by decent at this stage id take competent doesnt need to be any wild risky appts or a big name, just a reliable coach and get this * on the road
     
  5. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    Couldn’t disagree more, whilst I’m for bringing one in now if it’s the right guy - we’ve only ever had one and he was a disaster bringing in our worst manager of all time.

    The mess we are in has nothing whatsoever to do with a lack of a DOF, the shitshow of last season is easily explainable without pinning it on a position that the previous manager was winning Trebles for fun without.
     
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  6. Seán Mac D Gold Member Gold Member

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    Rodgers was an anomaly. We'll be lucky to ever get that level of manager with top-level experience again... particularly if they chat with to find out how it went. All you have to do is look at who we interviewed for the role this round to see that. Rodgers insisted that every player in our squad was given a detailed back on their opponent for the next upcoming game: strengths, weaknesses, habits, temperament. It's part of the reason why we dominated so much.

    Football has moved on leaps and bounds in the last 20 years and we're being left behind.

    If you want a model with no DOF then you're willing to allow someone with no footballing expertise hire our coaches, scouts, analysts (if any).

    If the individual tasked with the above also happens to be personally, financially incentivised to run the PLC profitably (which is what happens now) then you'll see that the people hired for such roles aren't the 'best in the business'; they're more 'can dae a joab'.

    Coaches like Kennedy, O'Dea & McManus hired with little/no experience of jobs elsewhere. No club doctor for over a decade. A wafer-thin scouting department with the under-qualified Strachan's son as Chief European Scout, despite being a club reliant on sourcing cheap talent before they come to the spotlight of bigger clubs. Instead of a proper scouting department fit for a club of our size, you'll continue to see a network of agents & connections - like Dudu Dahan and City Group for Man City cast-offs - because it's cheaper to do. You'll have football managers who should be spending their time coaching players having to make sales pitches to the PLC board on how they need a better playing surface or training facilities such as the dome training facility Rodgers wanted.

    You'll have constant rebuilds of the football club every 2 - 4 years, when a manager comes in the door and doesn't like one or all of the above and wants part of it be tweaked to his liking.

    Football has moved on from the MoN days were players said he was rarely on the training ground and turned up on the morning of the match with a hand-written note of the starting XI. A time when players were scranning Monster Munch & Irn Bru post-match.

    The decline in fitness and attitude of the squad from Rodgers to Lennon is proof of that. These throwbacks don't work for a club of our size in the modern era. We might be able to get to a point where we share the spoils with the huns but we'll continue to get dicked by better-prepared European teams operating on a lower budget than us.

    If we want some long-term succession planning at the club and an end to the 'can dae a joab' attitude to hiring then it's vitally important we hire a DOF that can oversee all of the above and who will be taking decisions solely on it's merit for the football club, free of the conflict of interest between the competing aims of the PLC and Football Club.
     
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  7. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    Was Stein an anomaly? McNeill? O’Neill?

    The lack of a DOF does not explain the mess we’re in, it’s a footnote in the list of reasons.
     
  8. Seán Mac D Gold Member Gold Member

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    All of those were when the game was massively different, as I covered in my last post.

    It's only through Rodgers experience at a top football club that he was able to implement some of those concepts at Celtic - pre-game analysis, Desso surface, tried for Dome training facility.

    The fact that our previous manager Lennon walked in and his jaw hit the floor at some of the improvements tell you the gap between 2014 and 2019 Celtic.

    If you leave it in the hands of the money men then all of those advances will be frittered away, like some already have.
     
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  9. Cena Never Give Up Gold Member

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    This guy still available :56:
     
  10. Dip 'n' Swerve

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    a good progressive coach / manager should be the first role to bring in steady the ship!
    I still think the slavia manager who has European experience, can bring through players and plays football enjoyable to watch is a no brainer - trpisovsky - he would also have a great wealth of players the club could attract.

    the think is a joke, club has been cursed since them * disco lights got installed and the proposed hotel got called.

    the club is going backwards - I wont be surprised if we go for kennedy.

    the only way things will change is if the fans make their voice heard loud and clear - with covid this makes it very difficult to do so without getting flack from the media etc..

    the clock is ticking to the new season - things are not moving at all and I get this horrible feeling that the new season will be a re-run of last season.

    generally DoFs get serious wages last between 2-3 years and move on - swings and roundabouts.

    Is Mick Doherty & Hammond still at the club?
     
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    we need a manager coach who is infatuated with football, coaching and management.
    You look at Biesla he eats and sleeps football.
    We need someone with charm and can make the players want to get into training half an hour early to impress
    Lennon and Kennedy do not exert that type of thing.

    The end of the day it is what is done on the training ground and the tactics that win games not DoF who generally milk clubs dry and have no long term love for any of the clubs.
     
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  12. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    I’m not disagreeing that we should have one or not, I agree with you on that part in terms of adapting to a modern footballing structure.

    What I really don’t agree with is it’s importance in our current mess. It’s way down the list of why we’re a * shambles.
     
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    If its Maloney and Ange then just get them signed up and started.
     
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    The lack of any form of long term strategy explains the mess we're in, and that's in part due to the lack of someone overseeing footballing operations.

    We've been crying out for a director of football for years. We're miles behind clubs like Salzburg or Ajax, both of whom have a long term strategy and focus on development. The charlatans in our boardroom don't even have a vision for next week.
     
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    just re-reading this and i get the feeling this is exactly the way some or all of the board want us to feel so that they can dampen/kill expectations (like they are doing either deliberately or due to incompetence)

    We should be able to get a decent coach and director of football and start to move forward and sign players for next season which is fast approaching.

    these * do need hunting

    can anyone give me a lowdown on who does what job for celtic on the board so we can actualy assign the blame proper to them for the * job they are doing ?
     
  16. Seán Mac D Gold Member Gold Member

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    I do agree to an extent, pre-season starts in 2 weeks and we have no manager to take training.

    Given the amount of time we've had there's literally no good reason that a DOF shouldn't already be in place, making the background changes and being involved in the recruitment of a head coach.

    It truly is a shambles that we're 4 months on from Lennon leaving and no further forward. Icebergs move quicker than us.
     
  17. MagicBallBhoy Gold Member Gold Member

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    some of the board members must be torpedoing our moves i think, there was some leaks of board splits werent there ?

    it makes sense if some of them think we have been succesful running the club the way we have been, then they would think why do we need to spend the money on dof and a proper football organisation side as this will remove further control from the board and make it harder for the plc to do their job
     
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    We had it and * it away - we had some great scouts at the club and for some reason they all got pushed out the door and agents began punting * players.

    Wanyama, petrov, mjbally, balde etc etc..
    Any club with the ajax / Salzburg model I would expect have scouts in every part of the globe in each continent - they aren't paid big wages per say, I would say between 35,000 - 60,000 a year?

    A great scout is worth their weight in gold - the game has scouts always extinct with agents taking over with no experience or idea about how to spot a potential player.

    Been told stories about lawwell asking scouts in the past to go to south America with 2.5 million to look for players in recent years. says it all really.

    with the board in charge we are made to look like a micky mouse club with an amazing fan base and lack of progression and sleeping at the wheel for the last 3 seasons
     
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    Their should be fan representation on that board too many tight arsed * having a say


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