did osama bin laden order the 9/11 attacks?

ok so who did fly this plane then if it wasn't the terrorists some camakze pilot who the government have brain-washed
as for the rumour about the terrorist phoneing up the radio station

 

imo it had * all to do with 9/11 BUT i do think that they used the nuclear wepons as a cover story to go into iraq for oil i DON'T think they used 9/11 i don't think they would kill there own people no matter how much money they wanted to save

 

Fear.

What, historically, has united people more than fear of an enemy? Make people fear an enemy and they'll let you do what you want.

The sinking of the Lusatania was anticipated beforehand as a means of provoking people to back war. Pearl Harbour was provoked for the same reason. Vietnam was based on a myth. Things don't happen by accident.

It used to be blacks, gays and communists and now it's terrorists. And this time they've hit gold - what better way to keep a people afraid than by constantly scaring them with an enemy that doesn't even exist? What is a terrorist, anyway?

Who flew the planes isn't important. What is important, is who benefits from it?

Give a people an enemy and you can have a war. Certain people get very very rich off war.

 

interesting post.

 

Of course you find it hard to believe most people do. Dont you think there are far too many suspicious circumstances surrounding it though? Look into it more. The US Government dont give a * about the people. The UK government dont give a * about us either btw.

 

i'm sorry but unless i get concrete evidence . i can't be convinced that a government (not just the president) the amount of people who would have to be involved with somthing like this . they would not be able to keep them all quiet there conscience would surely tell on them .

 

You're laughing it off like its unrealistic, I don't know for deffinate if its true or not but its not as out there as you make it out to be. The vast majority of people who don't believe it was a conspiracy theory I believe don't want it to be one as they coudln't believe a democratically elected government could do such a terrible thing. Whatever the case, someone has caused such a terrible thing to happen, and people just don't think a government could do such a thing

 

Yes mate exactly. I wasnt going to go into that but the fear that they have installed in the people of America has allowed them to change laws that give them even more power.

-There is a law that has been passed that allows any person that the police/government suspect of being involved in terrorism to be arrested for as long as they like and allows the police/government to enter (and search) american peoples homes anytime they like. The American people voted for this because they were gripped by fear.

 

The * thing is is it's way above the president. Bush was too stupid to do half the things that happened during his time in office, and its still there now with Obama. I hope I'm wrong, but no matter how good Obamas intentions are, theres going to be people above him to outdo him

 

I already suspected it might be beyond you mate. Some people cant get their head round it. I dont blame people like you because it does seem unthinkable that it could be carried out.

-The government would just have anyone they think that'd talk killed and make it look like a car accident, suicide, random murder. You dont seem to realise how powerful the government is.

 

so where did the plane in the pentagon and Pennsylvania go??

 

Might have been those planes spotted landing at a completley random airport that had FBI guys surrounding it, and why LA was shut down even to families.

 

You are right. The US government/president is in control by people with misplaced power. It is to do with the military industrial complex Eisenhour warned the world of this happening in his last address as the president. Its all about money but going into all this will just complicate things.

 

Does someone not have to probe to get these things declassified though? What i mean is if the goverment don't want you to know something, they won't openly come out and just tell you the facts of what happened? They'll let the declassification time run its course but after that they await someone asking for access to the specific files?

I'm probably talking a whole load of utter bollocks but i know what i mean in my head haha.

As for the pentagon thing i read earlier about someone saying a plane hit it - in a few videos i've saw surrounding these events experts have taken a long hard look at the markings left on the ground and have said it would be impossible for an aeroplane to come in at the angle it did and completely and utterly dissappear in the manner it did.

A few other videos claim it was a missile that slammed into the pentagon and if the whole conspiracy of it being a false flag operation are true then the missile or whatever slammed into the pentagon came from the American goverment themselves.

All this talk really makes me wanna go back and watch these videos again!

 

lol, they only issued 5 frames to media....and they said only 2 cctv cameras were on/working on the day??? one of the most protected buildings in the us???

 

The FBI went to a petrol station and took footage from a cctv camera that was the only non official footage of the pentagon, and the owners were threatened with jail if they tell anyone

 

Exactly mate you couldnt walk down the city centre without being on loads off cctv footage. One of the most important buildings in the world and only one very unlear outdated camera 'caught' it on tape...bullshit.

-Why dont they release the footage that would disprove our theory?

 

I have to say to people convinced it wasn't a goverment job to look at the many coincidences that were taking place close to the events of 9/11 and also the London bombings.

The anti-terror drills that took place on the day or a day before 9/11 and the same thing happened for our London bombings.

Insurance policies being taken out within a year of the 'attacks' and the man who took out that insurance policy looking very jittery as if he had something to hide during his interviews anytime the 'attacks' were brought up or questioned.

The fact that no debris of the 'plane' which hit the pentagon was ever found and correct me if i'm wrong but at least the Black box should have survived?

During some of the video footage you can actually see fireballs coming from lower windows which would indicate a demolition job. Not to mention the manner in which the buildings fell, absolutely flawless.

The airforce being told to stand down moments before the attacks took place.

Also people saying how could a goverment use these tactics on their own people? Well you only have to look to Hitler for that, he framed a Polish mentally disabled boy for blowing up a building of parliament to give himself reason to invade and conquer Poland.

 

i'm starting to see what your talking about here but i am still finding it hard to beleive that a government would do that to it's people

 

Why? Governments are nothing more than people who get to places through public and private reputation. Therefore the primary role of a government is self-preservation.

Governments don't really do anything. They collect taxes, pass laws and go to war. All of which is done to make someone money (except for passing laws, which they sometimes do when they don't have a solution to a problem and want to look useful).

The whole notion of democracy is pretty much a lie. A small group of elites can influence the important governments and then in turn bully the small ones. Voting for people is a way to make you feel in control and makes a convenient buffer to take the flack.

Someone somewhere is making money off all this. Of that there is no doubt.

If democracy worked they'd make it illegal.