Cristiano or Brazilian Ronaldo

By a country mile.

 

Wow. Also can't believe what I'm reading..

You're cooked *.

 

Get it up yeez

I take no joy in saying Neymar is the better player. The pair of them are monumental *.

I would say it's obvious to anyone who watches the two teams regularly who contributes more. Ronaldo is like Ibrahimovic in that a team has to be built around him. Very selfish player and does very little outside the 18 yard box. He would spectacularly flop in most other teams in the world.

Where as Neymar functions brilliantly as part of a team. Starts moves and finishes them, and doesn't think twice about squaring the ball to a team mate.

I know if someone offered me the two players for Celtic I would take Neymar in an instant. From the last few years of watching him I'd say he's the second best player about. But that's just me, maybe I'm watching a different game.

 

I just meant Neymar and Cristiano Ronaldo have similar mannerisms on the park.

 

No he couldn't beat players for fun on the wing if he wanted to. That's why he doesn't.

Saying things like 'tripping baws' and including 12 laughing emojis in your post doesn't make your argument any stronger.

If you'd watched the two players domestically and in Europe over the last few years which you obviously haven't, you'd have a better idea of how little Ronaldo actually offers to his team week in week out all over the park.

 

Patsy, he's offered his team nearly 400 goals over the last few years.

 

I'm aware of the stats my good man. However as we both know from Kris Boyd's escapades in the Scottish top flight, sometimes records can be deceiving.

A lot of credit should go to Ozil, di Maria, Benzema etc. for those stats. Not to mention the poor * Marcelo who has received zero defensive protection from his mate on the left flank for nearly a decade.

 

Oh end of story? Sound champ, not a problem. I stand corrected now that you've said that.

I'd rather have Neymar in my team its that simple. He contributes more to his team overall. The general point is that there are players that play today who I think are more effective than Cristiano Ronaldo. It's ridiculous that people are making a comparison between him and the Brazilian Ronaldo.

 

Boyd in a Ronaldo thread, please no more..

Credit goes to the players no matter if it's Ronaldo, Maradona or Messi. Ultimate credit goes to the goal scorer.

It's no coincidence that Ronaldo is the man scoring all those goals and not the main striker Benzema. It's no coincidence that Ronaldo leads the Real record books ahead of greats like Raul and Di Stefano.

I think Marcelo will forgive him for the multiple Champions League medals, the domestic success and for the opportunity to play with one of the worlds greatest ever players.

 

Ronaldo de Lima might have been better to watch but that doesn't make him the better player.

 

Very true, it is just my own preference.

 

What does make you a better player then though? The only thing Cristiano does better than most players is score goals but is that enough to be seen as the best player?

Nobody thought Inzaghi, Trezeguet, Toni etc were better than Totti, Del Piero, Bergkamp even though they scored more goals.

 

Pretty clear that C.Ronaldo hasn't only scored goals his entire career.

 

He has for most of his career though, 2006-2009 you coud say were his peak years as a winger - arguably the best winger of all time you could say in those 3 seasons, i'd probably agree with that actually that Cristiano in his last 3 seasons at Man Utd was the best winger to kick a ball. Back then Man Utd constantly fed him the ball, he'd beat players, roamed the park, everything went through him, he'd slow games down or speed them up through his own play and he was superb.

2009-2016 he's been more of a goalscorer than a winger who's overall play has never been near the best, it was better earlier like better in 2009-10 than in 2011-12 but it's never really been that great since he's went to Real.

Like what made Ronaldo better than Henry, Shevchenko, Crespo, Batistuta etc is not only did he score as much goals than them or more, his overall play, touch, passing, link-up, dribbling etc was on another level too. If you compared their different qualities Ronaldo had a better, touch, passing, vision, dribbling, creativity about him than those other players he also was a really clinical finisher, he never too 10 shots to score a goal he was excellent in front of goal.

If you look now, what really seperates Cristiano from Suarez or Lewandowski, it's really only his goalscoring as they really have better overall play than him but he scores 10-15 more a season. Or compared to other wide players like Neymar, Robben, Ribery, Reus, again it's only his goalscoring, they all do more for the team, demand more of the ball, create more, try and create things or dominate the game by taking the onus upon themselves. If you compre his different qualities to these players, they beat him on a lot, they probably all do more dribbing, creating, passing and are more heavily involved in games.

He's probably the only player to be seen as better than others just for scoring goals, nobody would say Gerrard was better than Zidane or Lampard better than Iniesta or Maicon better than Lahm or Pires was better than Figo or anything like that.

 

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Well it's been proven that he doesn't just score goals, I'll say it again he has 105 assists for Real Madrid in 365 games. That's a unbelievable figure.If it was anything else he would be lauded for it...

 

On my phone but I'll respond to you later.

 

Again though that comes through his style of play, he kinda lingers on the fringes of the game never really getting involved and constantly trying to appear into the box or around the box for the finishing touches so he is going to get a lot of goals and assists.

His shooting figure would tell you that he averages around 1 shot for every 4 passes he makes. Literally nobody else in the game comes close to that even poacher style strikers will make more passes per shot than that.

I honestly can't remember the last time he had a run even only 3/4 games of great form when he played really well or dominated a few games with his play.

You can't deny that he does what he does very well but it's such an unusual style that I wonder if others could do it too. Like Gareth Bale, if he decided he wanted to do the Cristiano job and told Ronaldo to do more of the build up, creating, defending and team work while Bale concentrated in trying to get the goals and started to take all the freekicks and penalties would he really not be able to do it?

If you look at their stats in comparison, Ronaldo scores double the goals Bale does but Bale does far more other stuff - creating chances, tackling, intercepting, passing, crossing, winning headers, dribbling, covering more ground and even though he sees about 30% more of the ball than Ronaldo too, he actually loses the ball less and even though he does a lot more defending than Ronaldo he actually gets beaten by opposition players less too - showing that he's really putting in a lot more effort.

The actual only 2 things than Ronaldo does more than Bale is shoot and get caught offside.