CELTICvFALKIRK TODAY 13/08/05

hh is a hun mate
and you polish ppl better get a grip if anybody needs benched its magic the * couldn't hit a barn door
I love bbj but i do think the guy should not be playing 90mins but he should be starting every game SO THERE.

 

I'll try to speak for all arseholes right now.

Hartson scores, that's true. In fact it would be bizarre if he didn't with so many guys working for him and creating great chances, of which he converts no more than every fourth. This tactics is very one-sided and extremely raw, just the same way Hartson is, and so is the outcome: the team struggles against everyone.
If you're so much against Zurawski-Maloney duo, let it be Maloney-Beattie. Put some quickness, agility and talent into the front line for *'s sake!

 

The question I'm putting to you is why bench Hartson? WHY?!??! Am I missing something obvious? He's been scoring a bagful of goals...what do you want? Infact, what you want is attractive football and so does everyone..Hartson is not a nice player to watch, but he does his job. I do not want to switch to Maloney - Zuraw/ Maloney - Beattie because Hartson is doing his job, and doing it brilliantly.Not attractive, but effective. I'm sure that if Wisla scrape past Panithinaikos in the CL, playing scrappy, unattractive football, you wouldnt mind would you?

 

Dunno why you are bringin' up Wisla and PAO all of the sudden as I'm neither Wisla nor Panathinaikos supporter, and I never spoke of any of them in this thread. I've already given my reasons for benching Hartson, but I'll try to make them clear once again: the aim of every player on the pitch should be helping his team's cause, and I believe Hartson is making more damage than good despite scoring goals.
End of topic for me as I'm not used to repeat the same things over and over again.

 

Put simplely, if we build our team around someone who could also run as well as head we would score more goals.

 

I don't know if he would, but the whole team would for sure, as it's tactic would become less predictable.

 

ekhem
now thats nice to read sth like that
if u wouldnt get so angry when we criticise hartson, u might even see in couple posts of mine (and im polish goddammit) where i admitt hartson is too important for now to be benched!
or where i admitt im impressed with his effectivness and amazed by his good start this season, because i wouldnt suspect hes able to do any of those things ive seen in last games
its not discussion about benching hartson, but about lookin for other ways to score goals
ill ask again, what will happen if hartson get an injury? (i dont wish that!)
90% of offensive gameplay is gone! because team wont be able to think of sth different than throwing the ball into penalty area
good team need more various attacking style! good team need more regular scorers!

please petrov19.. PLEASE!
dont use words of one or two guys as an opinion of all of us!
its starting to be war between scottish and polish fans, which league is better, which team is better... *?!
dont get into this
u wish to bench zurawski? so do i
u know why? because i think he need that pressure around him go down
and because i wish he try once or twice with maloney instead of hartson
i dont care if its maloney-hartson starting and zurawski coming in 2nd half in
i dont care if this would be zurawski-maloney starting
i just wish to see this pair together on the pitch to say if it would be any good and more cooperative

and one more thing
i dont really think that when first goal of magic become fact it will mean new era for him
i think this will take longer
and yes, we love zurawski at his best, but im sure u understand, theres a reason
but nobody say (well, not everybody his performance should be improved by benching hartson, beattie or whoever!
its more like tryin various attacking formation when the match is already won, at the last 30-20min of the game (hartson dont really help in defence so if its 2:1 for celtic in 70th minute its not really harm to let him rest and try beattie maloney zurawski along with each other, dont u think? it even might help as they - better technics - can keep the ball away from own penalty area)
and if u really want to compare hartsons record with other players (not just zurawski) remember about how many chances each one had and - whats more important - how many counterattacks we had to stop after loosing possesion by every particular player!

yea, players like lennon never gets too much attention
but if that happens it means they didnt make any serious mistakes and did their job

PS this was not intended to cause any offence either

 

petrov19 (and others), no offence taken of course we are all entitled to our opinions etc. etc. however I believe you actually *did* miss some points that morol was trying to put across.

As to Zuraw, well I may be biased in his favor, but you would be too if you had watched him perform the way he did for the last 3 years.

Anyway, I was hoping that WGS is trying to introduce a change in playing style in Celtic (i.e. quick passing game played on the deck mostly instead of long ball to Hartson) and at the moment I have to wonder if I got it wrong. The play seems to be Hartson-centric, Zuraw is pretty much reduced to a supporting role, so if he's to score he has to create chances for himself, his runs are not getting picked out by his teammates, and it is a bit of a catch 22 because he needs to start scoring to get more service.

Realistically I think WGS' line of thinking atm is similar to yours (i.e. Hartson's scoring so lets keep playing this way) but I believe he's letting Zuraw start because he sees him as the first team player in the long run and wants to develop some understanding and consistency between him and the rest of the players.

Ultimately it's his responsibility not ours. But yes, I would much like to see a different attacking game played by Celtic, so I subscribe to lenny1's and morol's views, if it's biased or not, that's for you to decide what to think . And actually I am not saying to bench Hartson, I said bench Zuraw and bring him on for Hartson in the second half so that he's paired up with either Beattie or Maloney, and see what happens then.

EDIT: didn't see killbee's last post b4 I posted this so I am pretty much repeating some of his points, but it's good to see that we think alike

 

See what communication can do, its all making sense now.

Morol - sorry man, but dont agree at all.

Kilbee - You have a very VERY wise opinion and I must say that you talked a * of a lot of sense. I cannot disagree with anything you said and I praise you for giving such a fair reflection. If Hartson is injured however, that may prove to be good for the team. Maloney - Zurawski partnership will have a chance...they were on the pitch together V Fulham and they won a penalty, but have not played together since. I think the partnership could work, but again, where will Hartson go? If he dips in form (which he will) then we should experiment with the strikeforce again. Please Kilbee, I'm not creating a rivalry with the Poles...we have a unique relationship, but we are just disagreeing on something we care about, thats all

vvex - Again, you've mentioned a lot of interesting points and I agree with a lot of it. Us Celtic fans have stressed how much we would love to see quick, sharp, silky and pacey football. The fact is, we need at least another season to change our mentality of "target man" football. At the moment, we must use our strengths, which is physical mentality and aerial ability. Again though, you did make a few good points and I appreciate your comments and kilbees comments.

 

yes but i hope strachan will try sth different before he will be forced to, because that may be too late
as for hartson, hes too important, especially in situations when all 11 players of opposing team are in own penalty area, doesnt really bothers him how many players are around if he only gets precise pass :> and looks like thats not gonna change
sure there will be a moment when his effectivness may go lower.. and thats why strachan must have sth prepared, because if he wont, it may end with loosing important points later in the season

i dont think we disagree that much anyway

 

Zurawski is a I Think celtic club size+the fact that we have 60,000 fans 4 a home match has went 2 his head once he starts scoring he will be come a great celtic player(hope its against the huns maybe bhoys) needs a goal badly

 

i think wgs should go back to a 3-5-2,as he has spent the majority of his kitty on attacking players,and the fact we have a shortage of defenders,AND we have had a lot of success with it in the past.If we resorted to this formation i believe there would be room to have hartson,maloney and zurawski to play up front,and create the sort of attack when we had larsson,sutton and hartson,bcos 2 me a player like hartson needs the likes of maloney to link up with cos hes not exactly got the contribution has he so he needs the likes of maloney AND zurawski to complement his game even more,AND am not saying they will have the same impact as the larsson days but if they had a gd run of games together a think they wouldnt b 2 far off.

 

oh yes 3-1 bring on the luckyhuns 4-0 we will win