Celtic Supporters Thread (contains GB chat)

If there arm was being twisted because health and safety I don't see why they would advertise with slogans like "Doing The Huddle In The Champions League". I also don't know why they wouldn't ask for the huddle to be stopped all together because it is unsafe by their standards and rules.

The point about the Zombies advertising with crowd surfing as well surely they fall under the same health and safety criteria.and will be under the scrutiny as every other Glasgow based football club? They also do many other things that could be potentially deemed unsafe bouncy etc

There just seems to be far too many inconsistency and double standards for the closure of 111 to be solely down to Health and Safety.

 

Excellent post and covers most arguments thoroughly.

 

How much Zombie surfing goes on at their games?

Is "doing the huddle in the UCL" referring to fans or the players?

Have these questions been asked by the GB? If not, why not?

 

I'd like to ask all those who keep quoting 'rules is rules', where does it stop?
Lateral movement etc is deemed dangerous and against health and safety rules.
What if the next one is, doing the huddle is dangerous?
And the next one......shouting loudly is dangerous, (and there is a danger there to peoples hearing, maybe ear muffs is the answer)
And the next one....... speaking in an Irish accent may be offensive to Scottish or any non Irish people.
The point i'm trying to make is, you have to stand up at some point and say this isnt * right. And its not right. Its a blatant attempt to take the boistorous element of the support away and make us into a man utd (soul less, heart less, corporate, money making machine)

 

Standing is safer in an area designed to accomodate it than in an area designed for sitting. I said if we all backed the GB and stood etc, then it couldn't be dealt with by shutting one section. As they are elected politicians, they really can't just shut Celtic- it would be political suicide. They'd really have to either see sense and allow safe standing or back down. No politician likes to be publicly seen backing down. Safe standing would not make it harder to prevent overcrowding. As Padmill said, every ticket still gets a seat number, you stand in front of your seat (which is lowered for European games). Frankly I'd bet that the only reason overcrowding is a problem is because more people want to be near the GB than can be safely accomodated in 111.

 

Look at the timing, mate. Look at what happened last year, what Lawwell said last year. This isn't prevention. This is an agenda being pursued.

 

Peter Lawwell is the sole controller of the SFA/SPFL according to Sevconians...

Peter Lawwel he does what he wants
he does what he wants
Peter Lawwel, he does what he wants

 

How much crowd surfung goes on at our games?
You're far too clever to really think "doing the huddle in the CL" is being marketed to fans as the huddle the players do.
What questions should the GB be asking exactly and why?

The only rule the GB are digging their heels in about is the utterly stupid one of lateral movement. All the others they have conceded. If the club really have safety assessments showing lateral movement is a significant safety risk and that the huddle isn't, let them show them.

It's not about Health and Safety. It's about songs and banners (Poppy Protest, * UEFA, Dignity is more important than food).

 

I tried to point out that some of our greatest heroes achieved what they did by breaking rules. Instead of refuting this point, they first tried to imply that I was putting the GB on the same level as people like Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks. When I explicitely rejected this equation (I love the GB, but they're not quite that good) and reiterated my actual point, they again did not address my point but instead added a tag about my "obsession" with Rosa Parks.

Blind obedience to rules is as stupid as blanket rebellion. When you look at other ultra groups, the GB actually do a surprisingly good job of following sensible and just rules whilst rejecting stupid ones IMO.

 

The Green Brigade never brought the THUNDER back to Celtic Park..It was Neil Lennon...On Champions league nights and more important games am sure Celtic's faithful fans will find there voices...

 

No Bangers, No Pyro...?

Dear Ghod,

The GCC is very concerned about safety at Paradise. Just thought I would give you a heads up as it is rumoured you also live in Paradise. You might well be Omnipotent but these folks down at the GCC actually think they can impose their will on everybody. You may have given mankind free will at the beginning of this little adventure but things have changed.

Would you please refrain from sending storm clouds to Paradise, no cracks of thunder or sudden lightning flashes ( health & safety comes first -- sorry to knock you down in status but the GCC insists H&S comes before all other things, that includes you ). You don't have to do this every day... just match-days and especially on CL nights.

Thanks very much..

ps if you don't agree with this policy you could send a big loud crack of thunder any time it is convenient, you know, like the one at Sevco's training ground.

 

The thing with O&HS is you don't wait until someone get hurts before you make changes. You regularly evaluate the situation and make changes/rules to ensure no one gets hurt

 

Anyone got any idea if the money the club has made profiting from GB displays and slogans breaks even with the money the GB have cost the club in fines? Just wondered since there seems to be a lot of shouts of the club profiting form the group (myself included) but then I thought, maybe they are right to, given that fines have been imposed upon them because of actions from the group.

 

I think if you add all the ST money from them, along with merchandise & photos etc of displays then I reckon the club will have profited from them.

 

Exactly, I don't know why people fail to see or believe this. The club aren't closing the section because they want to but because they have to, it really is that simple.

 

Do you really belive that they "have to". I'm very sceptical about the whole scenario if truth be told, and I don't believe for a minute our safety certificate would have been revoked. Don't buy that one bit, but by peddling with that, it makes it more easy for some fans to swallow. I think it's been used as a scaremongering tactic by the board.

 

As fun as it may be the whole stadium doing the huddle (which rooted from the GB) must breach a fair amount of health and safety regulations. The whole worlds went mad with health and safety. 20 or 30 years ago it wouldnt have been an issue but it really does seem that the club is being shafted from elsewhere.....I dont see why the club would just close the section for the sake of it.

Anyway, with the GB spread around the stadium it may make the atmosphere a little better and help them living up the more quite ends of the stadium..........wishful thinking :smiley-laughing002:

So yes, I think they have to before the club faces being fined.....or worse. Thats my opinion anyway

 

The safety certificate would never have been removed. It's nonsense to think otherwise.

Has the SECC, Barrowlands etc... ever been threatened with withdrawal of their safety certificate because I can assure you, moshing, overcrowding and lateral movement have been going on in these venues a lot lot longer than at Celtic Park.

 

I've said that a few times as well. The Huddle must be much worse due to the numbers that participate in it. So with that in mind, it seems that the board are happy to have their cake and eat it. Surely the board must issue a warning over the Huddle also. I wonder if it were only section 111 that done the Huddle if it would then become a problem for the board.

I love your optimism with your second point mate, and it would be good if that happened, I'm not holding my breath however.

 

It seems to me like they let it go for as long as they could and then it had to be acted upon. I could be wrong though, truth is no one will ever know the real reason which is a shame.

Got to have a bit of optimism because without them the place is going to be dull as *, a bit like the Mowbray era......I hope they pull something out the bag